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Greater Sudbury has become diversified, said Greater Sudbury Development Corporation chair Guy Labine this week at city council, but not according to the Conference Board of Canada.

Greater Sudbury has become diversified, said Greater Sudbury Development Corporation chair Guy Labine this week at city council, but not according to the Conference Board of Canada.

bulshoy Quote: deliberately spoiling my ballot in protest. That`ll show`em ,then you can go on facebook or here and stand proud while your city continues to go down down down.......lol. I love the Canadian way...

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Jan 30, 2009

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 Posted by Sudbury Northern Life Reporter Bill Bradley

As city residents contemplate a mining downturn in 2009, just how diversified is this city?

Sudbury Video News - Sudbury could be more diversified Greater Sudbury is very diversified, said Greater Sudbury Development Corporation chair Guy Labine at city council this week.

With the economic situation not as rosy as it was six months ago, this may give residents some reason to be hopeful the city can weather the next six months, said Labine.

"In terms of economic diversity, on a scale where one is the highest diversification value, Greater Sudbury scores .71 according to data from Statistics Canada and the Conference Board of Canada," he reported.

"If you look at the key sectors like health, education, finance and banking and the supply services sector, we are very diversified. For example, we have 10,000 people who work in the supply and service sector. That is important, a huge strength."

But an economist with the Conference Board of Canada who developed the index cited by Labine in his presentation noted that when comparing cities, including their metropolitan areas, Greater Sudbury was less diverse than many other similar-sized cities.

In reality, the city has more in common with Windsor, a city struggling from auto industry layoffs, said Robin Wiebe. The city has an index of .72 and a population of 330,000 in its immediate area.

He noted that metropolitan Thunder Bay has a diversity index of .87.

"Thunder Bay has the port, forestry and mining nearby, plus tourism. Kingston, with 155,000 people, has an index of .81. They have agriculture, a port, the military, Queens University, call centres and some small manufacturers."

Wiebe said the data was collected mostly in September 2008 from 27 cities with populations of over 100,000 and a surrounding metropolitan area. A top value of one relates to the economic diversity of the country as a whole. A value closer to zero indicates a local economy not well diversified.

Sherbrooke Quebec (170,000) has an index of .88, while Saint John, New Brunswick (127,000) has a value of .88 derived from their port, forestry construction activity, oil refineries, potash and mining nearby.

Kitchener, including Waterloo and Cambridge (479,000), has a value of .85. Oshawa, which has a population of 350,000, and is dependent on the auto industry, still has an index of .87, said Wiebe.

Labine did cite statistics that showed the unemployment rate for Sudbury in December 2008 was 5.6 per cent, compared to 7.2 per cent for the province and 6.6 nationally. Hotel occupancy rate was 71.1 per cent in the city from January to July 2008 compared to 60.4 per cent for the province as a whole for the same period.

The downturn is definitely affecting businesses, but Labine said he hoped spending by senior levels of government would help.

When downturns happen, cities like Greater Sudbury need to have a plan developed with the involvement of stakeholders ensuring there is diversity occurring.

"We did that planning five years ago here. Having a long-term plan is key," said Labine.

Another help is having cities invest themselves in economic development activities.

"The city invests $55,000 per year in Music and Film in Motion, an arts promotion organization. Yet, that is returned back to taxpayers many fold because the work they do generated $928,000 in economic activity in the city in 2008," he said. 

"In fact, since 2001 MFM has contributed directly and indirectly close to $38 million in economic benefits to the community. They use our money to leverage other money for their organization and they bring in arts related companies to the city," said Labine.

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  • bulshoy Quote: deliberately spoiling my ballot in protest. That`ll show`em ,then you can go on facebook or here and stand proud while your city continues to go down down down.......lol. I love the Canadian way wa wa wa! Who says I was poo poing commentors here? I was making a comment as to what happened to the "old boys club" in the Sault. THE VOTERS HAD ENOGH AND VOTED THEM OUT. Apparently you failed to grasp that concept. I read on another post where some councillers that have ideas but have to sit on there hands because they are junior and their ideas mean nothing. There you go people with ideas ,get rid of the old boys bring in new blood. It would seem to mean if a city has alot of old boys then the majority of voters are happy with them...... unfortunately. must be an aging population that is afraid of change. I like Oscar`s idea of a younger generation running the city. Bet I`ll get bitch slapped for that comment to huh? I could careless......lol. Spoil your ballot and post on facebook and when clowncil is high fiving after next election enjoy that too ,you helped prolong the problem. Tuesday, February 03, 2009 at 09:33, Man About Town said: ".......... clowncil." I know you will give it a good workout .......................lol

  • On Monday, February 02, 2009 at 11:48, muff said: ".......... clowncil." Dammit, I wish I would have coined that word. I''m going to start using it from now on.

  • Great examples MAT. City council blew it, over and over and over again. Oh and muff - you have to start somewhere.Not everyone can just up and run for city council, and not everyone has the time to start up organizations, etc. Whining in the comments of an online newspaper raises awareness, as does starting or joining Facebook groups, etc. Ultimately, i''ll let my fingers do the talking on voting day by either voting for new blood or deliberately spoiling my ballot in protest. You said "People said enough already and come election time got rid of them." in an above comment. That''s what people are doing here and now by voicing their opinions. Why do you poo-poo the commenters here when you claim that Sault residents did the same over there and got what they wanted?

  • Well sit back Sudbury and keep the whine flowing. pfft. Lets look back at history and dwell on that for ever and a day. That solves everything! Jet set Johnny (Mayor Roswell) in Sault ste Marie did just as Sir G has stated ,travelled abroad to promote his city. Apparently no one in Sudbury has come up with this concept. But wait if anyone ever did I could see the whining again from some of these same posters here ."they`re wasting our tax dollars ,trippin` all over the world". So how could you start...hmmmmmm. Here`s an idea ,get invovled as in run for clowncil. Nope that won`t work . ahhh just post our gripes on NL ........lol. Keep looking backwards Sudbury as the rest of Northern Ontario progresses forward.

  • Blame it on the following people or organizations... George Lund : former television executive of a station that nobody really cares anymore, that supposedly restructured SRH and C.O.G.S. Jim Marchbank : former politician, con-Science North boss that bet all his eggs in one basket... Pink Slip Floyd Laughren : former NDP / MPP that repeatedly misrepresented Sudbury and implemented a very well known anti-business attitude... Known to have effectively killed the Sunthetic deal. Shelley Martel : not fond of her due to her very nefarious attitude towards a certain doctor named Dr J P Donahue... also caused a lot of ruckus and instrumental for the NDP''s demise. Diane Marleau : had to put her there as she was one complacent politician that got recently booted out David Courtemanche : a complacent mayor that should have learned a few lessons about running a city a little bit better by not hiring so many egregious consultants Sudbury Councilors in general : a mostly big-boys club that propagates the whole idea that this city is run by the same council team that probably runs Springfield in the Simpsons. SO really, why are they fans of doing business behind closed doors?!? John Rodriguez : has done some good in the past as an NDP MP (believe it or not), but has recently lost touch with people. Often regarded as the Silly Bus Driver. Tom Davies : I don''t know much about Tom Davies except the fact that he has a Square named after him. I would have just given him a tile for all I care, and name it after him because he was at one point the Regional Chairman and ... I need a scapegoat anyways. MCTV : Yes... a media outlet. A media outlet that probably didn''t let the public know about the truth with their biased views. Of course, when the LUND dynasty runs the station, things are kinda one sided at times. So you''re better off to get your news ELSEWHERE. Only LUND let the station run to the ground and from being a model station to becoming what I would call, a pathetic excuse for the CRTC to give it a token television station operations license. Now... that I vented my frustration, I''ll go back in my dumpster.

  • QUOTE : muffy Jan 31, 2009 11:03 AM - "Put your name on the ballot. Get in there and get this Motorsports Park going. By your account it just needs the push to get it going ,so push it. NOT trying to be cynical here Mat but to sit and do nothing, solves nothing" QUOTE : muffy January 31, 2009 at 6:43 PM - "get your name on the ballot and make it happen. Shut down the old boys club............... The excuse of one name on a ballot is a cop out." So, put your name on the ballot. No that''s a "cop out......." Galahad is right. The problem is that no people will come forward because of the blocking and old style politics. The people down at city hall try to run this city as a small town. They get mired in moaning and kissing up to coalitions that bully and create media circuses. Do we need to be reminded how the extended store hours fiasco keeps getting shelved? That is a perfect example of cowardice and failure to lead by our politicians. Companies see this type of BS and want nothing to do with us. They see how the planning committee gets interfered with by politicians looking for personal gain, and kingdom building. They fail to see the greater good. Remember how the city blocked the box stores for years? All from the moaning of special interest groups and the downtown merchants. They wanted to protect their little spots and have a monopoly. The city even made Costco pay millions to blast out the BarryDowne / Kingsway intersection and pay for the hook ups for services. Things unheard of in progressive cities that actually want investment and growth. Walmart was jeered by store owners and socialists at planning stages. They wanted to protect their own self interests. Ignoring job creation, investment, and affordable goods. Long Lake road has had the Ninnimaki (pardon the spelling) Estates development blocked for decades. They have the land and the partners that want to put in a huge retail development. Yet the shareholders are faced with a maze of roadblocks. Even the expanded SouthRidge Mall got bamboozled. Instead of welcoming and assisting new retail and business, they got lists of potential complaints and foot dragging by our leaders. I could go on forever with the laughable way corporations are shunned and not given any welcome. Galahad, we need a complete new approach. One that''ll offer land for free, tax freezes, infrastructure hook ups, and a host of other incentives to bring new ideas here. But our history and continued anti-corporate attitude scares off everyone. When this latest plunge passes, and the workforce trimmed, the diversity idea will be shelved again, with politicians gloating about the demand for nickel, until the next big dip. ............. That is quite a gamble. And the results this time may not allow us to wait out this storm.

  • As much as I hate to agree with MAT, I''ve been saying the same thing for years! We have to aggressively pursue other projects. MAT has mentioned a few, and I''m sure there are more. Put together a group of 2 or 3 motivated individuals to research companies world-wide who are looking to invest abroad, and SELL Sudbury to them! Offer tax breaks, or whatever it takes to make them see the benefit of locating outside the Toronto area.

  • I guess it is just easier to sit back and piss and moan then about how bad Sudbury is then. They had "the old boys club" in Sault Ste Marie years ago as well. People said enough already and come election time got rid of them. Sault Ste Marie still has there share of problems but they have come ahead as well. All we read about Sudbury is how bad it is. Yet come election time all the nay sayers sit comfortably at home and wait to bash the next council,it`s a game and a joke. You want change Sudbury get your name on the ballot and make it happen. Shut down the old boys club. If one city can do it I`m sure Sudbury can as well. The excuse of one name on a ballot is a cop out.

  • Well muffy, the problem of running for any office around here is the old boys / socialists club. And the corruption and apathy at city hall blocks any new ideas brought in. The pressure to do the right thing and diversify and change comes from the grass roots. We all need to pressure the politicians. In the media, at meetings, and especially campaigning. Look at the Pioneer Insurance scam. Look at the secret purchase of the Provincial Tower. How about the lackey appointments at the SRH board and CEO? Gluttony and sense of entitlement with Eltongate. The rot is deep. No single voice or person on a ballot can change this. We all have to say ENOUGH!

  • Oh the complacency of our forefathers, and previous leaders! Now Sudbury''s begging for diversity and myopic councilors hasn''t seized the opportunity. And you wonder why there''s a brain drain? The younger generation would have run this city a lot better I bet ya... At least we''re more in touch with tomorrow and not holding on a has-been used-to-be glorious past. If you want Sudbury to become a Has-been city, continue your course. Elliot Lake will soon outpace you if your council shenanigans continue. But then again, the whole politics in Sudbury is nothing but a smorgasboard of photo-op quality, non-substance politicians. That includes Mouthpiece Bartolucci, Blagojevich''s Protogé Rodriguez, and many many others. I''m getting really fed-up and it''s high time they either evolve or go the same path as the dinosaurs. It''s political dinosaurs around the world that contributed to this recession / depression. Keep up the good work and we''ll all be screwed one way or another.

  • Well Mat,I guess it should be out with the old in with new next election. Put your name on the ballot. Get in there and get this Motorsports Park going. By your account it just needs the push to get it going ,so push it. NOT trying to be cynical here Mat but to sit and do nothing, solves nothing.

  • The problem is, this city is not very accomadation to any new venture. They have the ''Boss Hogg'' attitude of wanting their palms greesed for allowing anyone to set up shop. Then all these hidden zoning problems pop up and red tape suffocates any effort made towards progress.

  • And let the panic begin. Just like I and others have posted over the years, our city leaders have sat back and done nothing while the metal markets flourished. They failed to initiate one single project or drive to bring new investing here. They sat back and patted themselves on the back, taking credit for the good times. Now the downturn and they are looking for answers? After the opportunities have come and gone? Want to see just a short list of what they''ve missed? -Nissan and Toyota assembly plants. - Both actively looked for sites. Then settled on South West Ontario. Our leaders didn''t even make a phone call. -Ethanol Plant - The Ontario government is funding 100 percent of the construction of the plants. Barrie is stalling because they don''t want it in the only available area. Which is near residential. - Why haven''t our politicians even once asked to have one here? -Super Jails - The Province constructed 3 of them in the last decade. With good paying work and spin off employment. - Again, silence from the local leaders. -Casino? - A full casino for the downtown. Creating a real entertainment district. Turned down and not one push for expanding it. -College Boreal Downtown. - Again, the city core would have been a student village. With spin off rentals and entertainment venues. Driving the rubbies out and making the core vibrant with youth and money. (See casino for further synergy) -Entertainment- The city could approve a Motorsports Park. Funded completely by private funds. Earlton''s dragstrip brings in millions every year in spending. Not to mention that the closest 1/4 mile strip is in Cauga. Imagine summer motorcross, monster truck ,circle track and drag races? Winter snowmobile racing? - Bringing in sanctioned events year round? The list goes on guys. And these economic gurus say we''ll be okay because 10,000 jobs are in the supply and service sector. Just who are they going to supply and serve when the mines are laid off? Who will purchase their items when there is no demand for product or service? Remember, a lot of the service and supply companies used to be done by Inco and Falco in house. With downsizing over the decades, they''ve shipped out the work to the private sector. Shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic folks. The failure to diversify lies squarely on the city leaders and politicians that sat and currently sit around our counsel table.