City donates $18,000 to United Way

Dec 11, 2009- 10:52 AM

By: Ed Veilleux - Sudbury Northern Life Staff

The United Way usually has an employee loaned to them by the city, but this year the city decided to donate $18,000 to the charity.

City council approved the decision on Dec. 9, at the last council meeting of the 2009, though the decision didn't go through without resistance.

Ward 1 Coun. Joe Cimino voted against the funding.

“There were a lot of groups that came forward during the budget process,” he said. “I question why this didn't come forward at that time. And secondly, what right does city council have to choose which charities (taxpayer's) dollars go to?”

Cimino said this could open the door for other organizations to try a similar means of securing funding.

“If I was any other group in town, I'd look at this and think, 'this group came forward and council approved $18,000, perhaps we should ask as well.' Again, I think that should come through the budget process.”

Cimino said the organization is a worthy cause, but the way the funding came through still bothers him.

“The United Way does incredible work in town, there's no doubt about that. That's not the question. (But) I believe it should have gone through the budget process.”

After all, the United Way isn't the only organization struggling, he said.

“It's a tough time for everybody, for all groups to fund raise.”

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30 Comments

  • You are absolutely right Mr. Cimino. The United Way receives a lot of money by public support through payroll deductions. It's time that City Council consider more important charities.

    At least, we have one councillor that has a head on his shoulder and thinks out loudly and doesn't shrink away from what should be said. Two thumbs up for for Mr. Cimino.

  • Shame on the City Council Even More Shame on the Mayor !! John you really need to move back to where you come from South American!!! Aren't all your Vale CEO friends there! Next time ask the tax payers where the money should go!

  • Most of the bloggers here are not against the charity. They are against the method. On one hand the city cries poor and needs to raise user fees, property, and water rates. Yet there IS money to fund a CHARITY of THEIR choice with taxpayer money. I don't care if it's 5 cents or $18,000 dollars. That's not the function of council. Not one "copper" of taxpayer dollars should be spent by the city on "their" favorite charity. I have my prefences but not a nickel went there...nor should it! It's a personal choice!

    By the way rightofcentre...last time I checked police, fire, and hospitals did not fall under the category of chiritable organizations.

  • drifter - there are probably a handful of city employees sitting around doing nothing. Don't take it out on the United Way.

    This donation was a cop out by the city. They're saving money by doing this. As for the councillor who was against this then if taxpayer's money should not be spent on helping those in need why dont we slash funidng for the police, hospitals and fire dept so that we can all have a nice tax cut?

  • skndustry seems to be the only compassionate person on this blog. Why can't people see that what amounts to mere pennies out of your pocket can make a serious difference to needy people in this community.

    This comes down to simple human charatcter. Greed and selfishness.

    If eveyone donated a $5 out of their pay you wouldnt see charities struggling to meet their funding requirements. Instead charaities are reliant on donations from big business and the 1 in 5 generous individuals who do care.

  • i am against this because of the charity united way. no christian organization is eligible to recieve united way money because of there anti christian bias.

  • So, instead of having a city employee working for the United Way, loaned to them by the city, the city gave United Way $18,000.
    What happened to the employee who didn't get "loaned to the United Way" now? Was he/she laid off or did we have to pay him/her for hanging out doing nothing?

    Only Joe C. had the balls to stand up for us.

  • Who is going to hold council and J Rod Accountable. Its time in this city for a little newer thinking, like maybe young enough to not have been blased at woodstock age group. The electoral should reflect the up and coming generation and the future that is the younger generation. We need People that can actually have rational conversations and have descisions made through constructive reasoning. Bunch of crooks you all are. I already donate to my favourite charity my wife and kids end of story keep you grubby hands out of my wallet dont waste my money , dont as a city cry poor then expect and increase from me, and watch you spend what money we have frivoulously like my wife at a clothing store or me at the Beer store. sorry city you get your tax thats it, and its bout time the refund checks start rolling in. I bet they would if we hired some ombudsman for the city.
    Simple budgeting 101
    1We need this much $$$ pay workers formost ( they spend in the community) operating costs ect...
    2 We have this much $$from tax and revenue arenas leases ect
    3 Do we have enough ?
    4 What do we give up other than non essential service and repairs to achieve our budget.?
    5 what amount of Money $$ will be left as a small kitty surplus for emergencies?

    REMEMBER If things get better and the city is run on a tight ship, then and only then can you budget properly

    Good job Joe for your work I Applaud you, and agree.......

    Its time for a change.......

  • Joe Cimino said
    “The United Way does incredible work in town, there's no doubt about that. That's not the question. (But) I believe it should have gone through the budget process.”

    Where was Callahan hiding when this went through?

    Good job Joe

  • If the city councilors have free run of my tax dollars, then what next might as well move to nazi germany 40's

  • I am simply pointing out that council was elected to run the affairs of the city. If the staff and councillors wish to donate out there pockets, that's fine. Stay the hell out of mine; it's my choice - not yours - not theirs

  • I am not against arenas receiving money. Nor am I against $18k for the United Way. I'm not the one railing on about a few pennies of their "tax dollars" going to that cause.

    I am simply pointing out that there are services I don't necessarily use or support that receive my tax money, so I think you are all making much ado about nothing. If they pledged $100K, we could talk.

    They have donated a token amount to an umbrella group that provides funding for dozens of organizations that would cover off literally thousands of the citizens of this city.

    All told, and good and wise choice.

    Keep getting you blood pressure up about those few coppers though! And make good and sure you penalize some needy folks by "reviewing" your donation to the UW and "deducting" that nickel (if it even adds up to that.)

    (I'd like to see your actual donations if you think it makes that much of a difference.)

  • I see skndstry...the UW is the only charity out there worthy of tax payer dollars? Why are you against the arena's receiving money? Are the youth of this community not worthy?

    Who's next? Shall council (thinking critically now) fund everyone? Are we to bail out GM and Chrysler too (sorry done that already)?

    Let me reiterate...this is NOT the function of council...try running the city for a competently change...

  • DubbedAgain

    If you and people like cougar think you've made a "donation" to the United Way through your pitiful portion of what that $18,000 represents, then you just made my point for me.

    If you can't figure out the simple math that would show your "share" of the contribution to be mere pennies - I'm not the one who needs to "grow a brain".

    You might try some critical thought so you don't look like quite as big an idiot when hurling invective.

  • skndstry, rightofcentre...grow a brain...

    Why SHOULD I give to UW now...they already have my donation thanks to council.

    I don't have a choice how the city spends my hard earned tax dollars...(they don't do a very good job as it is) why should they choose for me where I donate?

  • It's bad enough we don't have a choice with respect to how the city spends our over-taxed dollars. Council is concerned that taxes will go up an addtional 3% + if the $6 million doesn't come in from the province. Now are we going to start funding all of the charities too? Raise taxes by another 3% - 10% - take it all??

    It's my choice who I want send money to charity wise...If that too is removed from me...we will see next time the UW comes knocking on my door..."I gave at the house" ...forget the office"

    Is council nuts??!? Have you not learned from ticket scandle? The legacy projects?? etc... If your child had a credit card and was mis-spending would you not yank the card from them??? Get an handle on yourselves folks...you don't have a blank cheque.

    Think before you spend money that is only in your coffers because we have no choice but give it up to you!!

  • It's bad enough we don't have a choice with respect to how the city spends our over-taxed dollars. Council is concerned that taxes will go up an addtional 3% + if the $6 million doesn't come in from the province. Now are we going to start funding all of the charities too? Raise taxes by another 3% - 10% - take it all??

    It's my choice who I want send money to charity wise...If that too is removed from me...we will see next time the UW comes knocking on my door..."I gave at the house" ...forget the office"

    Is council nuts??!? Have you not learned from ticket scandle? The legacy projects?? etc... If your child had a credit card and was mis-spending would you not yank the card from them??? Get an handle on yourselves folks...you don't have a blank cheque.

    Think before you spend money that is only in your coffers because we have no choice but give it up to you!!

  • Oh for God's sake, get over yourselves people.

    The United Way is a huge umbrella organization that has dozens of charities under its wing.

    If any of you stopped for one second to think about it, $18k from the city amounts to tax PENNIES from each of you. And it isn't new money - it was always given as "in kind" so it would be in the budget. Cimino is just grandstanding. He's an attention seeking mouthpiece.

    Hell, the municipal taxes of the United Way employees and those who access those services alone would EASILY add up to $18 grand.

    Any of you got kids in hockey?

    Well guess what?

    I don't, and I don't give a rats behind if any of our arenas receive municipal funding either. But you'd better believe that if it all had to be done on your user fees, we'd be lucky to have even one that was worth a pinch of you know what.

    I would be willing to bet that if even if they DID lower your taxes, not ONE of you dissenters would increase your charitable spending.

    Which I am going to guess is just about zero anyway.

  • I don't remember giving my permission to the lame bus driver to donate my tax dollars. How many counslers? $2,000.00 each should cover it. After all they don't do much for what they get paid.

  • You're missing the point rightofcentre.This money is not a donation,donations are done freely and this $18,000.00 amounts to being taxed.I don't pay taxes so councillors can dole out money to charities of THEIR choice.This is a whole different kettle of fish here and sets a precedent for other charities to come forth and expect the same and why wouldn't they?

  • rightofcentre, there were 500 backpacks handed out to union members and each was valued at $150.00

  • the backpacks issue was a bad move for the UW for sure but you're damned if you do and damned if you dont when it comes to the union. The USW were probably using the UW to drum up public support - had the UW known this they probably would ahve thought twice. Was it really $75,000 though?

    Cougar and tapped out - forget the optics of taxpayer's money for one second and answer me this - can you not spare $1 a week for charitable causes in this community?

    If everyone were levvied a buck a week then there would probably be no need for pay roll deductions.

    And I'm not saying this should go exclusively to the UW - there are amny other needy causes in this city.

  • look my screen name and then call me a socialist again Harry.

    50 dollars a year is less than $1 a week each. If oyu cant find it in your heart or head to make that sort of commitment then I feel sorry for you and others like you.

    Until people can take time out of their lives and busy shopping schedules to make this community better then we should force them to through government.

  • It is truly unfortunate that the UW saw fit to spend $75,000 on school supplies for striking workers' kids last August. I'm sure that money could have been put to better use helping those who truly need it. That decision is coming back now to bite them in the ass, especially when you read the many comments on Strikeforce 6500 stating that union members are tearing up their donation cards because they don't feel that was enough.

  • If the city is going to give my tax dollars to charity. I wish they would lower my taxes. I already give to the united way thru my work place. I will think about this next year when it's time to give to the united way.

  • Instead of being right of centre you're sounding like a big socialist."Force them to through government"?WOW.You're giving the right wing a bad name.I already contribute to charities of my choice and don't like to see this council give out money collected from ratepayers to contribute to the United Way.The UW may be a very good charity to contribute to and they probably do a lot of good work and I hope people will contribute to it generously but I don't see where mandated contributions have any business to do with tax money.

  • look my screen name and then call me a socialist again Harry.

    50 dollars a year is less than $1 a week each. If oyu cant find it in your heart or head to make that sort of commitment then I feel sorry for you and others like you.

    Until people can take time out of their lives and busy shopping schedules to make this community better then we should force them to through government.

  • I do not want one cent of my tax dollars to go to ANY charity. I will make that decision myself. As far as a tax levy, rightofcentre, ... I hope you are joking. More socialist nonsense.

  • the united way is a front for almost 60 charities and organizations. maybe jc should educate himself on exactly what the UW does before commenting. this donation is the most effective way of donating money to as many needy causes as possible

    I would actually question the size of the donation. Is $18,00 from one of the bigegst organizations in this town enough? I know its tax payer's money but until the general public shows the willingness and generosity to donate to organizations such as this then maybe a way of funding the charities (not jsut the UW) would be through a small tax levy of $50 per year per person? That would equal roughly 5 million a year which is twice the fundraising target of the UW in 2008.

  • Good point Joe.
    United Way is a worthy organization but there are many organiziations just as deserving of a cash donation at this time.
    But don't United Way distribute their funding to all deserving charities?

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