Steelworkers, Vale Inco iron out picket protocol in court

Members of the Local 6500 show their support on Dec. 22, by gathering outside the Sudbury Courthouse prior to the hearing between Vale Inco and United Steelworkers. Photo by Ed Veilleux.

Members of the Local 6500 show their support on Dec. 22, by gathering outside the Sudbury Courthouse prior to the hearing between Vale Inco and United Steelworkers. Photo by Ed Veilleux.

Dec 21, 2009- 4:10 PM

By: Ed Veilleux - Sudbury Northern Life Staff

UPDATED - Dec. 23, 4:28 p.m.

The Steelworkers might find it a bit easier to breathe on the picket lines from here on in, if the court has anything to say about it.

Due to a court ruling, security has been told to keep their distance, fresh wood will be provided by the company for every shift and the strikers will be able to get aboard and take a look at Vale Inco buses, according to Local 6500 President John Fera.

The picket line protocol was hammered out by a Dec. 22 court ruling.

“Now there's a process in place where new wood will be delivered to all of the picket lines, each shift, at (Vale) Inco's expense,” Fera said.

Also, now AFI security have to stay on the company's side of the picket line unless they have some certain work that they have to do where the vehicles are stopped.

There was also new protocol set for the busing-in of workers, in groups of eight or more passenger buses (over the picket line).

The Steelworkers are now allowed to get on the buses for “a couple of minutes” and take a look around, according to Fera. The union can also give information to the people on the bus through the windows.

The information would include “financial information on Vale, what kind of money they're making” and “what we're doing as a Local to support our members,” Fera said.

The Strikers can stop the bus for up to 15 minutes, as well.

“We're opposed to passenger buses coming anywhere near our picket lines, but having said that, we can't stop that from happening,” he said. “So it (was) important that we put a good protocol in place to assist our members on the line.”

Fera said the court agreement shows the judges “have a pretty good handle on what should be in process.

“We thought the judges certainly understood what the issues were. Just like before, they knew what we wanted, but they also knew what we needed.”

From Vale Inco's point of view, company spokesperson Steve Ball said they are “satisfied.

"We are satisfied with the refinement of the order after the hearing with Justice Poupore this morning."

The protocol developed in today's court hearing was specific to busing non-union, office and technical employees as well as replacement workers across picket lines and into work sites.

"This ruling both reinforces the right of the Steelworkers to lawfully picket and the company's right to run our business as we see fit," Ball said.

The court date was a follow up to a previous court visit on Nov. 28. Superior Court Justice John Poupore led the proceedings.

About 3,000 members of the Local 6500 have been on strike since July 13, after contract negotiations broke off.

Even with the new protocol, the reality is it's a tough time for workers and their families, Fera said.

"I just want to acknowledge that it's a difficult Christmas for a lot of our people," he said.

Fera went further to tell his workers "never give up faith because We're going to come away with a good outcome at the end of this."

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60 Comments

  • hey dere laframyadayada
    the boys on the island are gonna sit down with the union on their own. (CBC radio) they'll settle there and be pumpin out cheap labrador nickel soon.
    Then what kinda bs will Leo feed your sons?

  • Phillip you are too funny. The investors are being held hostage by Roger Agnelli. He was the one that said that vale inco isn't sustainable. He started the labour dispute. And he's the one hiding like a coward in a different hemisphere refusing to back up his claims with any proof.

    If the company could run the smelter safely it would be running by now. All this freezing cold weather is going to make starting it up in the near future nearly impossible. But don't worry shareholders vale got all kinds of money to waste. It seems to me like vale executives like to learn the hard way.

  • G got posts confused. o.k. I worded it wrong, it would be equivalent to asking a millionaire for a loaf of bread. But you knew what I meant.

  • G
    It is not stealing but it is being greedy. This practice from large corporations is what will crush the economy worldwide worst is yet to come. But what I am saying is that they are now being honest for the first time. It is impossible to communicate with anyone when they start with lies but at least now it is a starting point.

  • NomeansNo

    Stealing is stealing, no matter who it is from. Just because it may not hurt someone as much doesn't make it right.

  • Suuuuuuuure D.Laugh.
    And the supervisors that "Train the trainers" have no expertise in the operation of any the equipment down in ol' Copper Cliff, eh?
    Geeze, those fully trained, and experienced smelter operators, getting laid off in Timmins, aren't up to snuff either? Not to mention pensioners that are looking for an extra few bucks and cut off Xstrata/Falco guys that live right in your back yard, right?

    Vale is playing this perfectly. They haven't panicked once. Not stooped to mudslinging or forcing children to fight the battles.
    Each step hasn't been rushed. Every time one ahead of the Steal-workers.
    With the glut of nickel on the markets, Vale's only reason to crank up the smelter is three fold. 1- Keeping the wheels greased. 2- Filling the obligations of production contracts. 3- To show the investors they can't be held hostage by a union. (When times turn better, Inco will be there)
    Keep believing what Fera and Leo are telling you from their comfortable offices.

  • The company has been telling everyone for months now that they are going to start the smelter if they can and operate it safely. I still don't see any smoke coming out of it yet. Obviously the company feels that they don't have enough trained, and qualified people to operate it without putting the public in serious danger.

    It is not a wise business decision to spend millions on rebiulding the smelter just to let it freeze up, and crumble. Shame on Roger Agnelli. Quit wasting shareholders money. Talk about "spending a dollar to save a dime."

  • Don't be drinking too much of that union Kool-Aid there Porkie.
    Vale hasn't even attempted to resume full production. They stated they were going to wait until after the Holiday season to consider their options.
    6500 has lost every court challenge and lost public support with their arrogance and thuggery. The last straw for many was the (ab)use of their children for a publicity stunt.

    The days of 1/10 people working for Inco are long gone. Those were the years, decades ago, when 15,000+ worked there. Today its under 3,000. (Do the math with the current population hovering around 150k)
    Vale made it clear, they are losing a PROJECTED $7 million a day. Based on what they BELIEVE they could be making with unobstructed access to the plants. And that was BEFORE the injunction and 15 minute rule was upheld.
    The protocol for replacement buses is in place. There are hundreds of experienced and qualified smelter/mine/mill people out there. Most from Timmins. Some life time contract workers that'll see Inco as just another contract. One with the great potential of a full time job.
    Jealous? Nope. People are realists. They know a bad economy. They are hurting. Not by the greedy choice to walk out on a fair deal.
    One thing for sure. The battle aint over yet. It's the Steal-workers will have to figure that time out. Like the election of a new Pope, smoke from the chimney will signal that time.

  • Local 6500 has so far undermined Vale's ability to resume full operation.
    It's amazing how a determined group of local workers can take on a giant like Vale.
    I honestly don't believe that most bloggers are against local 6500.
    Paid Vale bloggers? Not sure of that either.
    "Jealous,envious and wished I had a good paying job like those union guys?" (perhaps).
    Almost every family in the Sudbury area has relatives working in the mines.
    A Brazilian company like Vale has no ties to Sudbury. It's more worried of losing $7,000,000.00/day in revenue.
    The battle ain't over just yet.

  • give them a 3000% raise. don't really care. as long as they make money for the shareholders, and are self-sufficient. I would really hate to see another company bankrupt and require tax payers monies in a bailout like the auto makers because of greedy union members. "you gotta know when to hold em' and know when to fold them"

  • Laframboise,

    You're living in the past.

  • When is the last time vale executives took concessions to their salary, bonus, benifits, and pension? Didn't they just give themselves a 121% raise? Aren't these executives making millions every year in salary alone? And what have these well paid executives done for the company lately?

  • I must say that from business and big picture, Roger agnelli is an excellent CEO that run this company so well. Vale is very profitable and shareholders love it, this company has created so many jobs and generating tax togovernment including Canada,.

  • Update on USW driving examiner strike: they reach the tentative agreement now, you know why? Because the company is well prepared and those strikers finally have to give up...why not the union admits they are loser? In real life, when these strikers returned to work, some trouble maker will be given less work hour and some pressure to quit, only the workers got screwed and not the union leaders.....
    Now I look at USW6500, I can tell that those miners are screwed, no doubt..those strikers that causing the headaches to the company will find hard times to work in Vale or other mining companies. Nobody likes trouble makers including yourselves. The union trying to spread the wrong info and twisted the true orders from the court. Pls do not do this again because it will lose more public supports...
    Viewing Leo Gerald on YouTube , very clear he just a worker, he does not know economy and he thinks workers that take over and run the company. But who is going to buy your products? He needs to know that big executives have high salary because they use their brains to make more money for the company!!!!
    If you are a worker, do you job as a productive worker, do not play politics and be smart not played by other people....if you do not like your job,pls quit or look at your own background, never bite the hands that feed you. And never act like a national hero just to serve your own agenda...

    To Vale strikers, very good luck. Do not just listen to one side story. The union is in desperate and struggling because of their stupid and ego miscalculations. They need to admit and put the workers' interests first....be careful of what types of leader you have!!! I do not see this union will win, in fact is an excellent opportunity for Vale to crush the union into pieces...

  • Should we be aiming to lower are standards to those of a developing country or should the developing countries work towards matching what we have in Canada today? There is enough money in the world to go around for everyone if these greedy corportate executives would be willing to share a bit more with the common working man and woman.

    Don't these greedy corporate executives at vale realize that their business model isn't sustainable for regular working people? Wouldn't it be a shame if we lowered our standards to the point that can't even afford the products that we help produce? Is this the kind of future we want here in Canada? I don't think so.

  • How do you think we got the good working conditions that we have in Canada today? Why do you think we enjoy the quality of life that we have in Canada today? Do you think these huge multinationals just decided, out of the goodness of their heart, to give blue collar workers what they have today?

    No, it was fought for and earned by previous generations of blue collar workers. It disgusts me that there are people in this fine country that would be willing to be a part of a "scab labour movement" that lowers our quality of life, lowers are standard of living, and screws over future generations of blue collar workers forever.

  • So when are you guys going to put your money where your mouth is and apply? You can talk about how "everyone" would love to do the local 6500 jobs for less compensation but so far no ones applying. Go ahead and become a scab. I'm sure themore» union members will really enjoy plastering your name and faces all over the internet and permanently destroy your reputaion. In fact, the union could probably upload you ugly mugshots directly to the internet from the picket line as you pass through on the bus.

    Scabs will not be able to sneak around like they could in the past. The fact that everyone has digital cameras and access to the internet means that you will become permanently labelled as a scab for the rest of you life. Eventually huge databases of scabs will be compiled and employers will use them to weed out bad canidates that they may be considering as potential new hires. Scab list checks will be common place in the future, just like police checks are now.


    ARE YOU ON CRACK???!?

    Sounds like you should apply for a job at the CIA.

    Regardless of what ANYBODYs views are on this strike or any other strike...Listen and listen real carefully. It's the strikers choice not to work. If you don't want to eat fine. This shouldn't stop anybody else that wants to. This is a free country and people can do as they wish without having to be patronized.

    Shame on you.

  • Sudbury's Christmas Vale'cation 2009 will be one to remember.

  • Yes Vale finally admitted in an interview that they basically want to be more profitable so they can give more revenue to their shareholders than to give to their employees. I have to applaud them for finally coming out with the truth.

  • D. Laframboise "
    It is about time the company told their employees what the long-term plans are for vale inco."
    As with any business it`s usually about profits plain and simple. Perhaps the company could tell you they`re gonna shut it down would that make you happy?

  • I challenge the company to prove that it isn't sustainable. It is about time the company told their employees what the long-term plans are for vale inco. ROger Agnelli is a "green-horn" and obviously has no clue how to run such a profitable hard-rock mining operation in a modern, civillized country. Roger Agnelli's silence speaks volumes about his lack of competence and leadership skills.

  • geez G for one of us to wish illwell on Vale investors is like saying we are cruel for stealing a loaf of bread from a millionaire

  • when is 6500 going to realise that nickel sudbury operation produce is a very small part of the total nickel production worlwide. and that every company has to compete globally. i challenge any 6500 member to find out what other nickel company pays nickel bonus in any other country. even if vale was canadian owned you would still be on strike do you get it now.the market place will not be changed one iota by any intimidation tactics.you are just reaping what you sow.

  • when is 6500 going to realise that nickel sudbury operation produce is a very small part of the total nickel production worlwide. and that every company has to compete globally. i challenge any 6500 member to find out what other nickel company pays nickel bonus in any other country. even if vale was canadian owned you would still be on strike do you get it now.the market place will not be changed one iota by any intimidation tactics.you are just reaping what you sow.

  • It's ok to wish hate on the investors and their money, but not anyone else?
    tit for tat.

  • So the local president thinks getting wood to the picket line each day is progress after a 5 month strike. With progress at this pace this should not go on for more than 5 or 6 years.

  • I am tired of standing by a fire and smelling like an old wienner. I am saying NO to all this insanity.

  • Smelter is frozen,,,,,,,shares are down,,,,,,,YIPEEE,,,,,,
    GRRREAT job rog!!!

  • there is much support in this community for the tsriking 6500 members...and there will be for the CAW members when they go out and anyone else who strikes in this town for the right reasons. this town was built by union leaders and their leadership. The money being spent by the pensioners was bargained in 78.
    And let's get the record straight...nobody goes on strike and gains anything monetarily for themselves. They may gain job securoty and future benefits but ultimately it is for the future the strike for.

  • D. Laframboise

    Do you think you are in some kind of sci fi action movie or something. Open your friggin eyes and smell the coffee. Do you people think you are above the law or somethig. USW wil never run Sudbury and no other company or union will for that matter.

    I'm behind what you people are battling for having been there too often in the past but watching L. Gerards damn right i'm mad video on you tube I feel sorry for you guys, I really do. I just don't see the leadership qualities there.

  • Get a grip D.Lafra... you`re attempt at fear mongering is so laughable. Be careful what you wish for. The digital camera you speak of could also be used against you as well. The scabs may take your picture as well and post it on their internet list for all employers to see. Then when the boss man looks at the new hires mug on the protester list and says "Next" as he tosses your app in the trash!! Sit back and chill out for a bit!!

  • P.M

    I hate to say it but your right. The union is grasoping at everything and anything they can. They are celebrating buses being alolowed to cross the line with the windows down. What a win? are you kidding me? all the workers on the bus trying to provide for their families will do is wear balaclavas like 6500 do. Post all the pictures you want but go on 6500 strikeforce on FB and you will see that a certain someone wearing a mask looks very similar to some union leaders daughter. No need to mention any names. This is ridiculous. The union bit off more than they could chew and I think the members should start worrying about themselves and not the future of people that aren't even employed with the company. Take a good hard look at what your fighting for and the damage you are doing to your own families. I hope this isn't like the last time when you go back after 8+mths for only 3cents an hour.

  • So when are you guys going to put your money where your mouth is and apply? You can talk about how "everyone" would love to do the local 6500 jobs for less compensation but so far no ones applying. Go ahead and become a scab. I'm sure the union members will really enjoy plastering your name and faces all over the internet and permanently destroy your reputaion. In fact, the union could probably upload you ugly mugshots directly to the internet from the picket line as you pass through on the bus.

    Scabs will not be able to sneak around like they could in the past. The fact that everyone has digital cameras and access to the internet means that you will become permanently labelled as a scab for the rest of you life. Eventually huge databases of scabs will be compiled and employers will use them to weed out bad canidates that they may be considering as potential new hires. Scab list checks will be common place in the future, just like police checks are now.

  • I'm tinkin the company will make sure anyone working will get paid extra good just to pixx off the pallet burning boys even more.

    all those exstrata guys know their way around a mine and mill are running out of stamps so they'll be reservin seats on the bus to work at Vale Inco.

    You fellers let Leo Gerard and his crew ruin yer lifes.

  • just_my_opinion

    I find it hard to believe that you think there aren't a lot of people around this city that wouldn't be very satisfied with 70K a year in wages. I am willing to bet there are a lot that would take 50K to start gladly.

    Why is it that so many people are so ignorant about the kind of jobs that actually go on within the mining sector. There are many different jobs but you arrogent miners think you are the king of the hill. If it wasn't for mechanics, electricians, nippers and other supporting people you wouldn't even be able to work 2 shifts in a row and get your blasts off.

    All you guys do anymore is operate equipment that a lot of people could learn in a week and be very good at it in a coulpe of months. I know because I was a tradesman and probably could have done 80% of the jobs miners were doing.

    Iv'e been through many strikes and have never felt sorry for a miner because with the wages they bring in if they can't get by for 6 months without any money coming in then there is something wrong with the person doing their banking. All it ever seems to amount to is bigger wages, bigger toys, bigger debts.

    just_my_opinion if things keep going the way they are these guys and girls won't be scabs but the new workforce for Vale. It doesn't look good at all.

  • noofie, 99gt
    You think the SCABS will be making 80k/yr?! pfffffft.
    You do the math... 52 weeks with 40 hours a week at 27-29$ an hour... = approx. 60K.
    Considering the "proposed" cap on nickel bonus (I believe the cap will be 15% of an employees annual salary); new employees (a.k.a SCABS!!!) will be LUCKY to make 10K during the year. Ok, we're at 70k.
    Next up to consider is the fact that being hired under the DC plan "new employees" will need to invest a certain percentage of their annual salary towards pensions.
    Still think it'll be worth it?
    Tell you what - go be a SCAB until your ready to retire... work 3000ft underground in the wet, cold and dark for a company that doesn't care about its' workers' quality of life, health or safety. Then you'll be out the door with nothing more than serious health problems and not enough money to stay retired.
    That is... if VALE keeps any of it's SCAB employees for longer than 3 years at a time!

  • Like my boss Ranji at the 7-11 says, Vale Inco still has to treat employees good or the government raises hell. Same as at the store.

    Garfield figures this Leo Gerard guy took on Vale and lost the fight now the guys in Sudbury are screxxd. In July all the guys working at Vale Inco will have a vote and thats the end.
    He said it'll be like Red Lake when he was there for Dynatec.

  • noofie, 99gt
    You think the SCABS will be making 80k/yr?! pfffffft.
    You do the math... 52 weeks with 40 hours a week at 27-29$ an hour... = approx. 60K.
    Considering the "proposed" cap on nickel bonus (I believe the cap will be 15% of an employees annual salary); new employees (a.k.a SCABS!!!) will be LUCKY to make 10K during the year. Ok, we're at 70k.
    Next up to consider is the fact that being hired under the DC plan "new employees" will need to invest a certain percentage of their annual salary towards pensions.
    Still think it'll be worth it?
    Tell you what - go be a SCAB until your ready to retire... work 3000ft underground in the wet, cold and dark for a company that doesn't care about its' workers' quality of life, health or safety. Then you'll be out the door with nothing more than serious health problems and not enough money to stay retired.
    That is... if VALE keeps any of it's SCAB employees for longer than 3 years at a time!

  • The wife told me that someone just sent another big load of nickel to that warehouse in London. Over 150,000 tonnes now.
    She figures if Sudbury wasn't strikin there'd be about 200,000 tonnes. Seems not many people using nickel these days.

    Like that mining guy says, I wouldn't be too worried about the next time. Might not be one for the union.

    Seems there's about 24 days left in the life of this one and then the bussing starts.

  • D. Laframboise says
    1. Having different pensions for different members will divide the union, making it weaker in future negotiations.

    well do you think that after this strike is over they will be hiring??? future negotiations?? i think you should focus on PRESENT negotiations first.

    2. The company wants to roll-in the cost of inflation into the trigger price of the nickel bonus (profit sharing), thus, erradicatingmore» the bonus altogether after a few years.

    once again looking at a few years later?? i decent wage is more important then a hit or miss bonus and when the company loses money? does the workers also lose?

    3. The training the campany provides is transferable through out the different plants. Unless the employee transfers to a different position altogether the training the employee recieves is not lost in the transferring process

    the company wants to ensure that when a transfer is in place and trained that they make a commitment to that transfer.

    are these issues really worth being unemployed for almost 6 months now? accept the concessions, go back to the table and bargaini for something to offset the concessions.

  • What Roger is doing is making an example out of us. He was challenged by one of the biggest union and he has accepted the duel. They are probably thinking yes it is costing Vale money right now but on the long run they will reap the benefits. I hate to admit this but that is the truth as I see it.

  • Hey Laframyadayada
    Where'd you get that info on roger me son? You just wingin this shit?
    Garfields son (the accounting guy) said roger don't care where or how he gets it as long as he brings lots of money back to Brazil.
    He said maybe next July - August you Local 6500 guys could be picking and selling blueberries to Vale Fruit while the scab guys are running the plant.
    If'n you want Denis, I could ask Melvin to send me up plans for a Newfie blueberry picker. You can really make some money with one of they.

  • I think a lot of people are forgetting that roger agnelli's plan is to be the #1 mining company in the world by controlling all the most valuable ore bodies. How does he plan on achieving that when he picks fights with his employees and then run the companies that they work for into the ground to punish them for having different beliefs than his?

    Does he honestly think that his "spend a dollar to save a dime" strategy is going to enhance the long-term profitability of vale inco? How is he going to expand his company into other civillized countries after he ruins his reputation in Canada?

  • Stand Strong 6500.Don't let Vale's constant threats catch you off guard.Continue fighting for what you believe in.Cool heads prevail.
    Here's a little Griswald humour from Christmas Vacation(1989)
    Clark: "Hey! If any of you are looking for any last-minute gift ideas for me, I have one. I'd like Frank Shirley, my boss, right here tonight. I want him brought from his happy holiday slumber over there on Melody Lane with all the other rich people and I want him brought right here, with a big ribbon on his head, and I want to look him straight in the eye and I want to tell him what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, d*ckless, hopeless, heartless, fat-a**, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey sh*t he is! Hallelujah! Holy sh*t! Where's the Tylenol?"
    Best wishes to you and your families.

  • At the end of the day the rock will still be in the ground millions of years from now. If it's more profitable to extract it then they will do so at that time.

  • just_my_opinion 12/22/2009 8:00:18 PM - Report Abuse
    Dear viking04ca...

    "Think about it... the USW is striking FOR A REASON!!!
    They want to keep all the things that make being a miner worthwhile... Like their pension, bonus, etc.
    HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU THINK THESE "NEW EMPLOYEES" (A.K.A. MORE> SCABS!!!) WILL BRING HOME IF THEY ARE HIRED UNDER THE CONDITIONS OF THE NEW CONTRACTBEING PROPOSED TO THE USW???

    Wait for it.

    * clears throat*

    I'll Take Vale vs USW for $80,000 Bob.

    What is more than a striking Local 6500 member??!

  • Local 6500 members get either the Nickel Price Bonus (NPB) or Earnings Based Compensation (EBC), whichever is higher. The Earnings Based Compensation Bonus is what the Staff employees receive, its based on a percentage of the profits.

    Even if the Nickel Price Bonus is eradicated because of high inflation which is doubtful, the union would still receive the Earnings Based Compensation Bonus.

    However, the company wants to cap the bonus to 15% of their regular wages which obviously the union does not want.

    I think its about time both sides went back to the bargaining table.

  • Local 6500 members get either the Nickel Price Bonus (NPB) or Earnings Based Compensation (EBC), whichever is higher. The Earnings Based Compensation Bonus is what the Staff employees receive, its based on a percentage of the profits.

    Even if the Nickel Price Bonus is eradicated because of high inflation which is doubtful, the union would still receive the Earnings Based Compensation Bonus.

    However, the company wants to cap the bonus to 15% of their regular wages which obviously the union does not want.

    I think its about time both sides went back to the bargaining table.

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    Sincerely,
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  • hey lafram whatever
    There's too much nickel in the world. the wife says that warehouse in London has it piled higher than ever before.

    Seems to me you shouldn't worry too much about that american union. Come Jan 17th the guys on the picket line will see they've lost Leo's fight and will want to get back on the job.

  • Lord thunderin just_my_opinion

    They're gonna bring home the same as before the strike plus $100/month Union dues.

    Garfield says the reason they're striking is because Leo Gerard has a secret personal mission and the local guys is drunk on wine.

    Garfields son Melvin is planning to hire on at Inco Jan 17. He says he's got a bunch of buddies coming down from the Fort too.

  • If the company wants to bring in replacement workers that is their choice. In my opinion, it would be the worst possible thing the company can do. Not only would it completely alienate the existing workforce, it will drive away the employees that are currently crossing the picket line. Emotions are running high and people are at the breaking point. The company won't have to worry about bussing replacement workers into company property. The only safe way will be to fly them in with a helicopter, and even that was proven to be very dangerous during previous strikes.

    At some point this dispute will come to an end and the union and company will have to live with one another. How does roger agnelli expect to enhance the long term profitability of vale inco by creating a war with the life blood of his company, the employees? roger agnelli seems to have bottomless pockets when it comes to spending on infrasturucture, but he likes to treat his employees like trash. It is not a wise business decision to poison the life blood of your company as they are the ones that make him the massive amounts of money that vale inco makes.

  • Dear viking04ca...

    Think about it... the USW is striking FOR A REASON!!!
    They want to keep all the things that make being a miner worthwhile... Like their pension, bonus, etc.
    How much money do you think these "new employees" (a.k.a. SCABS!!!) will bring home if they are hired under the conditions of the new contract being proposed to the USW???

  • Whine and argue amongst yourselves about what you think you deserve. Keep bitching about what the union brass told you was in the last offer, and what they didn't tell you.
    The point of this article is abundantly clear. The words about BUSING and REPLACEMENT WORKERS.
    Cheer all you want about frozen pipe theories if you wish. The truth is the processing of product is going to start in the new year.
    With or without the crumbling union. 6500 should think about an emergency recall and vote on the (very) last offer before its 'One Day Too Late" for them.

  • My buddy Garfields oldest boy is an accountant. He tells me there was like 2 pension plans at Inco before. Until you got 10 years in you got no pension....vested he called 'er. After 10 years well you got a pension. Maybe thats what the union is so weak like you says.

    He said I should ask you Lafram....in the new system, do your pension contributions start right a way or do you wait 10 years?/

    You probly know what he's talking about

  • 1. Having different pensions for different members will divide the union, making it weaker in future negotiations.

    2. The company wants to roll-in the cost of inflation into the trigger price of the nickel bonus (profit sharing), thus, erradicating the bonus altogether after a few years.

    3. The training the campany provides is transferable through out the different plants. Unless the employee transfers to a different position altogether the training the employee recieves is not lost in the transferring process.

  • 3 main reasons for this strike
    1- new pension for all new hires..... do you think vale is hiring soon and why would anyone think this as a strike issue since the ones on strike are already hired and thier pension is not effected
    2- nickel bonus cap raised.......... they did not get rid of it just made it more realsitic and it is a bonus, one very few workers get
    3- job transfers.......... put a limit on transfer and bidding on job because they want to train people and have them stay to do the job, not traing them just so they can transfer somewhere else

    i hope xstrata and unions are looking at this because both mining and technical contracts up in the new year. no one wins from a strike NO ONE

  • Who is we Viking? Do you speak for a group?

  • We are really getting tired of posts regarding the strike. Let time take it's course and when the workers want to work again they should return if the time is appropriate. If the time is not then they will not be employees and a new workforce will have to be found. You strikers think you are the only thing going in this town.....You are wrong!!!People have already forgotten about the strike. I do not suspect it will be difficult to find replacement employees at the wages and benefits Vale/Inco pays.

  • The smelter is frozen stiff,,,,,,,,,,,YIPEEE,,,,,,,,,GRRRRREAT job Rog

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