Vale Inco's Thompson and Sudbury operations differ on contracts

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Jul 16, 2009- 10:09 AM

By: Ed Veilleux - Sudbury Northern Life Staff

Thompson said “yes.” Sudbury and Port Colborne said “no.”

Either way, the contract in question was radically different at the Vale Inco operations, according to Bob Gallagher, head of communications at United Steelworkers Canada.

“There's quite a few differences between the two (contracts),”Gallagher said.

The first contract went through on Sept. 15, 2008, roughly nine months ago, when members of the United Steelworkers Local 6166, located in Thompson, Manitoba, voted to ratify a three-year collective bargaining agreement with Vale Inco.

Vale employees at the company's Thompson operations, totaling roughly 1,300, voted 65.5 per cent in favour of the contract.

The second contract was tabled this week for United Steelworkers Local 6200 and 6500, located in Sudbury and Port Colborne, Ontario, and resulted in workers taking their fight to picket lines across Ontario.

With their contract, Thompson employees received an increase on their pension, a steady increase in wages consistent with their last contract, as well as recruitment changes towards skilled trades people.

Vale Inco's contract offer for Local 6200 and 6500 members has been criticized by the union for attempting to bring in a new pension plan for people hired after the contract agreement, lowering student wages to 70 per cent of full-time employee pay, and cutting down on potential nickel bonus for workers.

“The areas of dispute which were all the items where Vale Inco wants to reduce benefits and take away things (from Local 6200 and 6500), are not in the Thompson contract,” Gallagher said.

“The two-tier pension, the nickel bonus (proposed changes), both of those are take aways and they're not in the Thompson agreement, as I understand it.”

Under the contract that expired for Local 6200 and 6500 members on July 13 at midnight, nickel bonus did not have a maximum limit and had a trigger of nickel prices being above $2.50 per pound.

With the proposed contract, the trigger would have been upped to $5, and there would be a limit on money earned through nickel bonus, capping at 75 percent of a total possible 20 per cent bonus of worker's hourly wages.

The other 25 per cent of the possible maximum 20 per cent bonus would be made up by an Annual Incentive Plan which would be measured by how profitable Vale Inco is at the time, essentially.

“We're actually very surprised that Vale Inco is concentrating and centering their demands on the nickel bonus,” Gallagher said. “We understand that we are in economic hard times, we came to the table with a proposal to have no increases in terms of our wage, salary and benefits. And the nickel bonus currently pays zero dollars. It pays absolutely nothing. And it will, in fact, pay nothing whenever there are hard times and the company is making relatively small profits. That's how the nickel bonus is set up.

“When the company is making dramatic profits, the workers get a share of the benefits in those dramatic profits. And there have been times where the price of nickel goes up so high that there are dramatic profits and therefore the workers should get some share of it.”

The nickel bonus will have “no effect on there ability to get by recessions or hard times,” he said. “We're a bit perplexed by the fact that what they want to do is make structural changes for the future when the times are good and they are extremely profitable. Rather than some of the things you would think they would go after which would help them try to weather the storm. They're going after things that are not really about the recession and hard times.

“We're not willing to use hard times as an excuse to take away what we should get when there are good times.”

Roughly 2,600 of the union's 3,100 local 6500 members in Sudbury voted 85 per cent in favour of the strike.

“I voted for the strike,” said David Zlahtic, a Vale Inco machinist in the divisional shops. “There is nothing in the contract for us. There is nothing but concessions.”

Zlahtic, who's been with the company for six and a half years, said he was also uneasy about the new pension plan.

“The defined benefit and defined contribution components are very different retirement arrangements,” a Vale Inco release stated on July 9, while union members were voting.

“I am not entirely opposed to it but I find it is not clearly defined,” he said. “It is too vague the way it was presented to us. There are not enough details if you look at it clearly.”

“As far as we're concerned (the defined benefit pension plan) is an element which should stay,” Gallagher said. “It's one we've earned over the years. The proposal is to not have that pension available to new employees. The defined benefits plan that we currently have is superior to the one they are offering and they're also suggesting (through the proposed benefits) that the workforce should be treated differently, between young workers and older workers. We think they should all be treated the same.”

Local 6200 workers in Port Colborne also voted in favour of striking, at 95 per cent, with a 97 per cent turnout for eligible voters, according to reports.

“This rejection is just further proof that the offer has concessions that the members are not willing to accept,” said Local 6200 president Wayne Rae in a release.

Not only are the Thompson contract and the one proposed to Local 6200 and 6500, radically different, but the negotiation process was different as well, Gallagher said.

“Both the content of the contracts and in terms of negotiations, they are extremely different,” he said. “The negotiations in Thompson did not have the demands for long-term cuts that these negotiations had from the absolute, very beginning.”

Vale Inco would not comment on any items in the contract, such as nickel bonus, or on how negotiations were carried out.

Steve Ball, a public affairs official with the company declined further comment stating Vale Inco has already said what they plan to communicate to the media.

“Until the union accepts the fact that changes are required for our business to be competitive and self-sustaining in all price cycles, there will be little to talk about,” Ball said, in an earlier interview with the Northern Life.

He also said “We will not be providing daily updates, respectively,” referring to media coverage on the ongoing strike.

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34 Comments

  • Lilly...read it. See my comments on that page.

  • And as for numbers not perception, your union leaders are one to talk. I still havent heard a valid argument, or contradiction to Vales offer. Its funny 6500 states the Vale's "true"offer was not what was posted, but the union refuses to give details??? Who's bending perception and who is providing the community with true answers????
    As for numbers yes they are small only 2-5 % of our workforce, but if you are a true unionist, 1 lost job, one family not fed is too much.

  • Well angry aron I am part of the union, infact I am a union steward and I know for a fact that qualified hard working EXPERIENCED brothers and sisters with clean records have been handed there pink slips and told there is a "shortage of work" And in the next moment someones friend or "Buddy" is being hired for the same position. Ya we know its not legal and we are in the grievance process (which can be up to a year).
    For you to insult fellow unionist brother and sisters by your comments, then ask for our support is why this community has very little sympathy for Vale workers.

    Our workers are commited to the city for the long run, not just till the stike ends.

    When the roles are reversed in 2010 are you going to support our union?? Are you going to stand by while our "Qualified experienced" workers take jobs from your brother and sisters?? I dont think so, I know you will be posting that we are all lazy and dont deserve any increase.

  • To clarify, INCO is the workers and VALE is the evil intangible corporation?

    Funny thing about unions is you actually have to belong to one to get any benefits from it. If a very small number (do you know how many workers have been let go?) of NEW hires are being let go due to "lack of experience", why are you complaining?

    Are you sure these "inexperienced" (which is kind of like a nice/legal way of saying unemployable) workers wouldn't have been let go if the strike hadn't occured?

    I'm really not sure what you're complaining about. Please come back with real numbers, not perceptions.

  • AngryAaron:

    LOL..thats all you got?

    First off, YES city workers are being let go...was it with just casue? Well people are being sent home because "lack of experience" even though they have been with the city for some time now.
    You better believe something is being done about it...but it will take time before it all comes down the line. Again, INCO voted for a strike, not the rest of us, so why are they taking jobs away from unionized city workers.
    I'll scratch your back while you scratch mine....Again, not even 2 weeks into it and your workers are going else where...I thought you guys were together on this issue....guess not, or I guess some of you are but you have to think of number 1 first and screw the rest right?

  • Seazer, have any unionized city employees been let go?

    If so, was it with just cause, or a reason for which they could raise issue?

    Did I miss the memo about the City being on strike, or are you comparings apples to astronauts?

  • Well, ...lets just say that you guys voted to go on strike...not even 2 weeks later...who is knocking on the City of Sudburys door for jobs....Hmmm....What is the word we are looking for??? SCABS? Oh yes, thats right, thats what you call them. more» They cant handle it so they look for work elsewhere. NOT EVEN 2WEEKS into it. At this time we have Inco workers coming in looking for work and yes they are getting hired at the city. Now, what we are talking about here is your workers coming in and taking work from unionized city employees. Im sure if the City of Sudbury went on strike, and us city employees walked in, crossed the picket line and started to work at Inco...you guys would be all over that....Im sure the news, mayor, everyone would know about it and how we are crossing the picket line. So...before you go off shooting your mouth to non inco workers...maybe you should talk to your brothers and sisters and ask them why they are crossing the line because this is what they voted for right? Ask your brothers and sisters why come down so hard on city workers but when the going gets tough (LOL less than 2 weeks) they get going to other unions and jobs.

  • The management I know are working 5 and 5. Sleeping on cots or air matresses.

  • Local management is loving the strike. They are being flown in for 5 days and off for 10. They are becoming video game experts and have built a bocce court. Most of them get paid too much for doing nothing already, now it's ridiculous. Get rid of the FAT! Hire new management, there are several qualified local candidates who would be willing to earn their salaries.

  • The time to stand up to the Harper Government and Tony Clement Is now. Friday July 24 2009 at 1 pm McClelland arena Copper Cliff. Show Tony that we will no longer be mislead and lied to , we do not support his agenda and demand for his resignation.

  • It is time that sudbury takes back what belongs to sudbury, the federal government likes all the taxes that comes out of this city but it wont fight to keep it ours.

  • There will be a rally in support of removing TONY CLEMENT from government hosted by LOCAL 598 CAW this Friday July 24 2009 at the McClelland Arena copper cliff to show that this community will no longer support company takeovers that are not in the best interest of our country and that our government must respect the people , when allowing these takeovers. Jack Layton is said to be attending this event in support of the cause. Everyone is welcome to protest/ rally for this cause.

  • I support you men and women 110%,thank you for fighting for my grandchildrens future.Something our governments (federal or provincial)don't give a hoot about.

  • Typically Thompson is a good barometer for our contract talks in Sudbury. Certainly we were shocked on the differences in the two contracts.
    Vale isn't taking everything away and we are not asking for the moon like many seem to believe. We as a group have not specified publicly what we are willing to take but we have expressed what we will not accept. Concessions that Vale wish us to accept will never be accepted. Those concessions really have no bearing on their bottom line and claims of becoming "self-sustaining in all price cycles".

  • Ginger, I suggest you go read John William Rice comment under the heading Standing up for worker's rights...in the NorthernLife...maybe then you will understand and see the big picture??? and then again, maybe you won't..some people just don't want to open their eyes and see just what this foreign company's motives are...how unfortunate...

  • I have lots of freinds who work for vale inco and some of them havnt even had a copy of the contract, they had it read to them by union reps, some of you have valid points and you agree with the workers so do i, The contract is a farce and i wouldnt even think of signing it if i was a inco worker. As for the big brasse at inco they aren't even in canada they are back in brazile laughing at us poor canadians because they are counting the days that the federal government will alow them to use scabs and then this city will be moving again, just not those we think, The city is getting ready for a rush in the building development wanna guess who for.

  • This argument is simple. Vale wants to take everything from the workers in order "...for (their) business to be competitive and self-sustaining in all price cycles..." It's buzz words to gain public support and it's bull ka-ka because it's impossible..

    Price of nickel goes up and down and if Vale doesn't like that for their bank books then they should SELL INCO. Ultimately it's up to the BIG BOYS like Vale to control the market prices by limiting what's put into nickel stock piles, which sometimes is hard with small players entering the market when prices are high.

    So sadly, Vale THEN can only do that by putting the workers on the street every other contract.

    Coincidentally, price of nickel jumped 10% in the first 4 days of the strike.

  • AngryAaron....Canadian or Molson? Must be your drug of choice, and you write like you've had lots of it.

  • jonny_boy, they have a machine that tells them "the stack of money has 5-20 dollar bills". That machine does not tell them "you have given that customer his money already". Strict adherence to "Safety procedures" mitigates if not prevents that.

    Strict adherence to rules... you know... one of those job qualifications that justify what the union is asking for. I see police officers smoking outside the court house regularly, but have never seen someone smoking near one of the no smoking signs on Inco property.

  • angryaaron ..."Tellers have to handle
    tons of money every day and if they accidently hand out 2
    bills instead of 1"

    When was the last time you were in a bank? I dont think i have ever seen a teller pull money out on their own, they have a machine that counts bills for them....

  • 'while racist/hate words like ​"​B​r​a​z​i​l​i​a​n​"'

    I'm sorry Ginger, I'll try not to say bad words like "Canadian" or buy Molson products. I wouldn't want to offend you.

  • "Sample garden, shrub bed and lawn soil to determine lime
    and fertilizer requirements. Sample can be sent to the
    Department of Land Resource Science, University of
    GuelPh. Sample kits and further information are available
    at the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture and Food office,
    1414 Lasalle Blvd."

    That was Inco's lawn care tip back in 1981. Time's certainly
    were different 30 years ago when the bonus was negotiated.
    The company was called 'Inco' back then, and there was
    something called "Block Parents". Ohh yeah, sudbury also used
    to ahve something called a "Ministry of Agriculture and Food
    office"

    http://www.sudburymuseums.ca/triangle/data/INCOTriangle-19810501.pdf

  • delphin, when the bylaw man outlaws grilling burgers in your back yard
    and McDonald's burger prices skyrocket, would the minimum wage workers
    be willing to work exhausting 12+ hour shifts so they could maximize
    the profits? Or, would they want to get something more to make giving
    up their personal lives worthwhile?

  • Tonysky, remember the bank strike? Tellers have to handle
    tons of money every day and if they accidently hand out 2
    bills instead of 1, or get distracted, or don't properly
    check ID the bank teller is responsible. Same thing
    for workers at The Beer Store and the LCBO. They do
    the work, they share the risk, why not share some of
    the rewards?

  • Winston Joad, world class warfare calls for a national
    response. Remember the 'good old days' of getting fallout
    damage checks because of Inco's emissions? What ever happened
    to those? What about checking the pH of your soil and asking
    the company to come fix it? Who said you can't farm in
    Sudbury? I've seen many nice gardens throughout the town.

    As a citizen of Sudbury, I want to see what the environmental
    sensors around town have to say now, for 3 months ago and for
    3 months into a slowdown or stop in production.

  • RobertHood makes an excellent point. Would you be happy if
    you won the "Aaron's got some cash for you for life" lottery
    (which pays $1,000/week) during a recession? What if Aaron
    said 'times are tough right now so you gotta settle for
    500/week plus 10 pieces of my art per week'?

    Later, when the world finds out how unbelievably artistic and
    creative Aaron is, his art is worth more than $500/10 pieces.
    $500 cash + more than $500/week worth of art isn't a good deal
    for Aaron so he insists you take $1,000/week cash again.

    Would you accept, or would you say "A deal's a deal. You said
    I have to take 10 pieces of your worthless art because times are
    tough, and now that I have a chance to recover from that loss
    you want to take the art away from me? That doesn't sound like
    a very good deal to me at all sir. No thanks."

  • The Union has said, "It's all about dignity and respect." Yet, they have shown no respect towards company officials, referring to the talks as "like dealing with a third world country," while racist/hate words like "Brazilians" are being tossed around. The Union appears antagonistic. Maybe they're not that way, but they're coming across like that.
    Someone said that the company only mentioned money, that they never said their employees were valued members of the work force, or words to that effect. Perhaps they haven't said that, but this talk of money isn't just from their side. In fact, it's all about the money here. Securing it, making it, making more. On both sides of the fence. And furthermore, this business of Thompson getting a better deal? Perhaps they did, maybe that was the times, maybe it was better management, maybe it was better Union Reps. But it sounds a lot like a kid crying..."Mom, he's got more than me."
    I don't like to appear anti-Union, but there is a recession on, a fact that the Union chooses to dismiss as not important.
    The whole Strike picture just doesn't look good. There was a time when Unions created beneficial changes. They should be still doing this, but they will need to taylor their demands to more realistic lines.

  • I was just told that 350 people lost their jobs at a call center called Sitel. Funny, no tears or rants for them! They had no choice in the matter and were probably making less than $10 an hour. So maybe people should spend less time focusing on the poor Vale employees that CHOSE to strike.

  • "When the company is making dramatic profits, the workers get a share of the benefits in those dramatic profits. And there have been times where the price of nickel goes up so high that there are dramatic profits and therefore the workers should get some share of it.”

    And this is the problem, workers feeling entitlement to the profits of a shareholder corporation. When Tim Hortons or McDonald's makes profit, do the workers see a Timbit bonus on their cheques? No.

    Even if profits at Vale Inco tripled in the next fiscal year, this does not mean workers are entitled to bonuses or increased wages. You are employed there at a salary rate, if this is not acceptable find other employment.

  • winston joad, I agree with what you say but on the other side I agree completely with Vale not wanting to share their profits when the workers are not shareholders. I have a big problem trying to gurgitate why the workers feel they're entitled to a share of the profits. I know that's how it was before but...

  • The nickel bonus was bargained in as a concession to wages. So we do deserve the bonus as a wage supplement when times are profitable. The approximate value of those wage concessions today would be $4.00/hr. The bonus is only paid when times are profitable so the payout of the bonus really has no affect on sustainability except that our base wage has been kept lower to help at low profit times.

  • Tonysky:

    Your argument doesn't explain WHY workers shouldn't share in profits, only points out other situations where they don't, including the most hated and failed institutions in all the land, the banks. The point of the article is that Vale isn't asking demanding that major concession because of the recession, it is using the recession as an opportunity to break one of the greatest gains working people have made in the past thirty years, sharing profits. And thats where the banks come in, Vale is owned in large part by US banks Blackrock and Bank of America, who have been pumped full of trillions in public money so that they can ride out strikes and crush unions around the world under the auspices of the crisis. It has nothing to do with "Mother Inco", and everything to do with global class warfare.

  • The nickel bonus will have “no effect on there ability to get by recessions or hard times,” he said.
    This sentence should instead read “no effect on THEIR ability to get by recessions or hard times."

  • “When the company is making dramatic profits, the workers get a share of the benefits in those dramatic profits. And there have been times where the price of nickel goes up so high that there are dramatic profits and therefore the workers should get some share of it.” -- This is not true. Are you a shareholder? No, so why should you be allowed to dip into their bank accounts? The banks make billions a year, do you see those employee's getting a percentage of their earnings because of it? I think what most need to realize that Vale will never operate that way no matter what. The strike is what they wanted, Fera bit the bait and unfortunately now there will be consequences. Not the old "mother Inco" anymore.

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