Home > Sudbury News

Strike exacerbating economic slump

OK OP & UW From the USW of America's website and "The Bonus Plan Proposal" Payout Comparison "It's impossible to predict what would be payable in the future under currend EBC/NPB bonus plan or the company's proposed...

Posted by: drifter

Read All Comments

Article Tools

Bookmark and Share
Nov 12, 2009

Sudbury losing $20 million per month in pay from strikers

By: Heidi Ulrichsen - Sudbury Northern Life

Sudbury’s economy, already suffering after layoffs at the city’s major mining companies, is now sinking even more because of the strike involving more than 3,000 members of Steelworkers Local 6500.

The strike against Vale Inco will be four months old as of Nov. 13.

John Caruso has spent the past six months studying the impact of mining layoffs on the Sudbury community.

He is the vice-chair of the Community Adjustment Committee, which was set up in May to identify actions that can be taken to mitigate the economic impact of last year’s slump in nickel prices, and the corresponding job losses in Sudbury.

In a few weeks, the committee will release a 28-page report on the subject.

When you add up layoffs at the community’s major mining companies, junior mining companies, and related job losses in the mining supply and service sector and other affected industries, 3,030 people have lost their jobs in the last eight months, he said.

Because these workers were making an average gross weekly wage of $880, these layoffs will cost the city an average of $133.5 million per year.

As of the end of September, the unemployment rate in Sudbury is sitting at 10.5 per cent, a striking rise in comparison to 6.2 per cent in 2008 and 5.8 per cent in 2007.

The strike is directly responsible for some of these layoffs, said Caruso.

“If we didn’t have the strike, we wouldn’t have as many people on layoffs. Many of these people have lost their jobs because of the strike,” he said.

“The mining companies aren’t buying services and products. The mining supply and service sector has been affected by the strike.”

Laurentian University business strategy professor Jean-Charles Cachon said he estimates Local 6500 members, by themselves, normally contribute $20 million a month to Sudbury’s economy.
Right now, the strikers are bringing home just $200 per week in strike pay.

Sudbury’s economy as a whole is worth about $200 million a month, said Cachon, so Local 6500 members usually make up about 10 per cent of that total.

Other than that, it’s hard to tell what the strike is doing to Sudbury’s economy, as there are few hard numbers, he said.

Cachon agrees with Caruso that the city’s economy was already suffering after plummeting nickel prices caused layoffs at mining companies.

The longer the strike lasts, the higher the likelihood that the strikers are going to start giving up and leaving Sudbury, said Cachon.

Because gold prices are good right now, he sees the strikers going to work for gold mines such as the one being developed in Malartic, Que. (near Rouyn-Noranda), or other industries in which their skills are in demand.

Strikers leaving for greener pastures is bad news, said Cachon. There is a shortage of skilled trades workers, and Vale Inco is risking losing these workers to other industries, he said.

Both the social and economic impact of layoffs and the Local 6500 strike is becoming increasingly evident, said Caruso.

Many laid off workers are coming to the end of their employment insurance eligibility period, and are now having to access social services. Ontario Works’ roster in Sudbury has increased by 12 per cent since last year, he said.

Demand for free credit counselling at the Sudbury Community Service Centre has skyrocketed, he said.

“Under normal circumstances, clients would not wait more than a week for their initial appointment. Right now they’re running three weeks.”

Many of the people accessing the service are young, and are having to move back into their parents’ homes, said Caruso.

“Because we went from such a high to such a low, a lot of these younger workers were making very good money, and they created a fair bit of personal debt, and now they can’t service that debt.”

The executive director of the Sudbury Community Service Centre, Linda Morel, told Caruso that many couples’ marriages are cracking under financial strain.

“As Linda says, when debt comes in the window, love goes out the door very quickly,” said Caruso. “It’s a difficult time.”

Caruso said the United Way, which runs a yearly campaign to fund various non-profit agencies in the Sudbury area, is in trouble because of the layoffs and strike.

“If there was ever a time if someone goes into a store, and they have a bin to put one or two dollars in, this is the year,” he said.

“People get complacent when they think ‘Oh, I don’t have to worry about the United Way because they’re going to get payroll deductions from the Vale Inco workers, and their budget will be OK.’ That’s not the case this year.”

Warren Philp, northern Ontario market analyst for the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, said the number of homes sold in the Sudbury area dropped 25 per cent when comparing the first nine months of 2009 to the previous nine months.

The average house price, which was $212,920 last year, is now down to $199,593, which represents a 6.3 per cent decline.

“The strike and the economic slowdown are kind of working in concert in Sudbury to have caused a 25 per cent decline in sales,” he said.

However, brighter times may be ahead. The CMHC housing market outlook for the Sudbury area, released Nov. 2, said the housing market in the city is stabilizing after a period of weakened demand.

Because there are currently fewer listings, re-sale prices should firm up in 2010, according to Philp. Modest job growth, relatively low mortgage rates and some in-migration should also help the Sudbury housing markets, he said.
Jim Gordon spent 17 years as Sudbury’s mayor between the years of 1976 and 2003, was the MPP for Sudbury between 1981 and 1987, and is still a member of the Greater Sudbury Development Corporation.

Gordon, who was the mayor during Local 6500’s nine-month strike in 1978 and 1979, said Sudbury is in a much better position these days to weather labour strife.

“Is this (strike) as bad as that (the 1978-1979 strike)? Not at the moment. But these strikes are very, very hard on the people that are involved in them, and they’re hard on the other members of the community, because it means there’s not as much spending.”

Gordon said he worked hard to diversify Sudbury’s economy.

“It’s a layer that’s there that helps when things are rough,” he said. “If you only have one industry and one industry only, then you’ve got real problems.”

He said he convinced the Sudbury Hydro board to put in high-speed, broadband Internet so that call centres could be attracted to the city.

Although some local call centres have shut down recently, Gordon said the city still has a lot more jobs because of them.

“The other reason to put down this broadband was to attract and keep software companies in the Sudbury region,” he said.

“As a result of that, we now have people that do business with their software and with the technology that’s available in the city. A good example of that is Chilly Beach, which has a show on CBC (and is produced in Sudbury).”

Gordon also encouraged the government to implement a good telecommunications network across northern Ontario.

This network is partly responsible for the Northern Ontario School of Medicine, because the government saw that a good telecommunications network could connect medical students from across the north.

Gordon said he also lead the effort to turn Sudbury into “the shopping centre for northeastern Ontario,” bringing big box stores to town.

While Caruso has spent a lot of time lately examining the ways that Sudbury’s economy is hurting, like Gordon, he sees that diversification has helped.

“We’ve got about 4,500 people working directly for Xstrata and Vale Inco. But there’s 3,000 people working for Sudbury Regional Hospital. That doesn’t include the cancer treatment centre, the medical school, the university and the colleges.”

Hugh MacKenzie, an independent economic consultant who works out of Toronto, also spent time as the research director of the United Steelworkers of America.

He said the Local 6500 strike must be hurting the economy because there are “a pretty large number of pretty well-paid people who aren’t earning anything at the moment.”

But if the union isn’t successful in keeping the current structure for nickel bonuses and pensions, Sudbury’s economy will suffer anyway, he said.

Nickel bonuses are usually spent right in the city on big-ticket items such as vehicles, said MacKenzie.

As for pensions, he doesn’t want to know what would have happened when the workforce was being reduced at Inco in the 1980s, if so many hadn’t taken up offers of early retirement.

“It just happens that if the union were to lose both of the two big issues in the strike, it would have a negative effect on the economy of Sudbury in the long-term.”

Reader's Feedback

Editor’s Note:

NorthernLife.ca may contain content submitted by readers, usually in the form of article comments or postings to myNews. All reader comments and any opinions, advice, statements or other information contained in any messages posted or transmitted by any third party are the responsibility of the author of that message and not of NorthernLife.ca. The fact that a particular message is posted on or transmitted using this web site does not mean that NorthernLife.ca has endorsed that message in any way or verified the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message. We encourage visitors to NorthernLife.ca to report any objectionable content by using the "report abuse" link found in the comments section of this web site.

51 Comments

  • OK OP & UW
    From the USW of America's website and "The Bonus Plan Proposal"
    Payout Comparison
    "It's impossible to predict what would be payable in the future under currend EBC/NPB bonus plan or the company's proposed newmore» bonus plan"

    Where did you get the info to support your statement
    "if you look at vale's proposed formula you'll see that it will be completely abolished within a year of two"?

    Incidentally, this same document issued by the Union says: "Currently the average hourly wage rate is $29.00/hr. ($60320 pa)There has a lot of discussion regarding regular earnings of Local 6500.

    So......my question to you is, where did you get the info that supports your statement "the union was willing to accept change on the Ni bonus"?

    You're just winging it aren't you OP & UW??«less

  • ok OP & UW......I'll download the company's proposal from the Union site and look at the calculation in detail. If I have any doubt, I'll have the accountant look at it too.
    Hope you're not wasting our time here.

  • drifter- the union was willing to accept change on the Ni bonus, but, if you look at vale's proposed formula you'll see that it will be completely abolished within a year of two.

  • Ya know you can really see the work ethic of most union minded people by the display last night at garson mine.They blockaded the guys in till 8:30pm but then failed to have anyone show up at the line for 4:30am .Real good guys can't even earn yourmore» strike pay to lazy to work like a man on the job or on the line.«less

  • What some people DONT understand...........is that education has NOTHING to do with it.

    A hockey player can have grade ten education,and make five million a year.Consequently,an 'uneducated' person...........can be a 'crackerjack'more» miner..........and believe me,i have seen plenty of them in my lifetime«less

  • $10k a month is roughly 20% of the starting wage of 52k. I understand a lot of the workers are tradesmen, and thats great, and any employer will take someone with more education if they can, but the fact is, most of the current workers only have a highmore» school education... if they eve have that, I know people who dropped out to work there and have been ever since. The wage is more than reasonable for the experience required to be hired on. Those of you with trades and experience, you make a lot more than the starting wage because of it. Ive yet to see whats unreasonable about any of this, but im listening, ill take any arguements you have with an open mind.«less

  • 'Big picture',you are just wasting your time,trying to convince some of these writers.For the past few months,the same people,over and over,have made it quite clear they want the strikers to fail.

    Some are envious,some are jealous,others aremore» possibly indirectly affected by it,and so on.

    Only people who have worked the mines,and understand the the difficult times our forefathers had to obtain the benefits we have today........can fully understand this. And,the 'wiser' ones,can also see the writing on the wall,for the future,if Vale starts implementing 'third world'living standards

    Lets hope the workers .........hang tough«less

  • big-picture
    you must have some amazing clairvoyant powers to be able to predict what the nickel bonus, based on the price of nickel and profitabiltiy would have been with the old formula and with the new. This was NOT a concession because it was anmore» unknown amount.

    So you're a big macho underground guy handling explosives and therefore deserve your large hourly rate. If thats the case those dogs in the mill aren't worth their money then.

    and I think the case that MikeK made (not that he needs me to explain it to you) is that the wage for a labourer with a highschool graduation certificate is pretty sweet.

    As for the danger of handling explosives.......there are more kids burned by hot grease at Burger King than miners hurt underground by explosives.«less

  • Just to clarify, I'm not the author of "SUSTAINABLE OR NOT"

  • Drifter, read my last response entitled SUSTAINABLE OR NOT. The concessions are very well explained there. By the way a concession is any ratification to a previous agreement that is a loss for any one negotiating party. So when you say that cappingmore» the EBC or NPB is not a concession it proves without a doubt that you don't quite understand what a concession is let alone what the present concessions are.

    Also I personally know the individual in question that was interviewed and this may come as a shock to you but in spite of losing his home he still rejects the offer to this day! Imagine that! What a selfless act for a cause. He's a hero in my eyes. This is proof in and of itself that we are not on strike to improve our own personal bank accounts. We are fighting for a greater cause.

    MikeK, Let me assure you that mining is not simply manual labour. It is a skilled trade that can only be learned after years of experience. Being hired with only a highscool education is a thing of the past. Almost anyone hired by Vale has post secondary education. Myself I went to Laurentian University. The exception to this is during labour shortages like the boom that occured here in sudbury in which the company was forced to be less critical about who they hired.

    We handle explosives, and we're exposed to potentially fatal situations several times a day! So Mike I challenge YOU to find comparable employment options that are less dangerous. Make sure you have death statistics to back this claim! By the way, miners have a 10yr reduced life expectancy.

    Mike please be more specific about th $10K bonus.«less

  • Medic, I asked a simple question... is that wage fair for a manual labourer? Is $52k/yr plus possible $10k bonus a starting wage that someone with only a high school education and no experience can reasonably expect in Canada? I would challenge you tomore» point out a few better paying employment options for a manual labourer.

    And its pretty weak that Mario is still taking shots at me when he knows I havent read any of his BS in weeks. Whatever he said, I can pretty much guarantee its false, everytime I asked him to back up his claims of what I supposedly said, he conveniently forgets to do so. I think his alzheimer's is setting in.«less

  • big_picture
    Does your lack of response tell me you don't really understand what the concessions were either?

    CBC radio had a thing on this am......young people losing homes, quitting and heading west etc etc.
    Is THAT what you anticipated whenmore» you voted the final offer down?«less

  • Sigh...Around and around we go about the same things..

    Mario- I agree it is kind of funny that Mikek gets to decide what is a fair wage for people.

    Big picture-thank you! I was thinking there was only me on this side of the fence

  • I'm sorry big-picture but capping potential bonus is not a concession.
    Let's leave that aside for now.
    What are the concessions that are so significant Local 6500 went on strike?

    If some of us could understand what the concessionsmore» were...it would help us you in your efforts.«less

  • SUSTAINABLE OR NOT, THAT IS THE QUESTION.
    SUSTAINABILITY AND LIES

    As most people around the community know, the strike at Vale Inco here in Sudbury is now well over the 100 day mark. Emotions are running high throughout the community and people aremore» starting to lose patience whether you work for Vale or not. Contractors are being pressured to cross picket lines by some of their employers, whom in turn are also being pressured from Vale to keep crossing picket lines or risk losing any future contracts with the company. Other businesses are finding themselves with no other options than to lay-off some of their workforce. This is causing less money to be spent in the community and according to the Mayor, 4 million dollars a week in lost wages and income. That’s 4 million dollars a week that is not being spent on housing, cars, and all the businesses in and around Sudbury. All this for what? Because Vale claims that their business is no longer sustainable here in Canada. But is that really the case?
    Vale chief executive Roger Agnelli said “Sudbury is the company's highest-cost operation and isn't sustainable at current prices levels.”
    However, “former Inco executives said the company was consistently profitable at similar nickel prices just a few years ago.”
    “They just want to break the union. They want to completely hit the reset button on the entire labour situation and the agreements that have been put in place in the past” said a former Inco executive who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
    Vale had $13.2 Billion US Profit last year (2008 after-tax PROFIT) and has a net worth well above this figure. Vale Inco collected $4.1 Billion US profit from Ontario in two years (2006-2008). Yet the old Inco, before the CVRD “Vale” takeover, collected $2.2 Billion US in Ontario profits over 10 years (1996-2006). The company claims that “continuing to operate in our current fashion is simply not sustainable…” I don’t know about anybody else but with these figu«less

  • Drifter, I believe those figures are inflated and it's not surprising. Most people think that Inco workers make alot more than what they actually do.

    I do believe that Sudbury as a whole is losing at least $20 million but not just from themore» striking workers. There are many others suffering losses as well. Not only are people losing wages but some businesses are forced to close up shop. One example is a succesful welding shop that has now been forced to close it's doors because Vale owed them a bunch of money and it took forever for payments to be made. The owner spray painted his windows with "THANKS VALE". This is just another example of how this company simply doesn't care about our community.

    Drifter, when you read the offer the company doesn't call them concessions. They simply introduce new clauses that are less than the previous contract. For example the nickel bonus being capped is a concession, but they don't call it that.

    There is a link that I've been trying to post here to the Sudbury Star but it doesn't work. I've even tried typing the address but this site won't post it. It's entitled "Vale Inco Strike Information" It can be found under UR sudbury, Community, News Display. Or if you're on facebook you can join a group called STRIKEFORCE 6500 and it's also posted under the discussions tab called "publications and Creations"«less

  • I'm no University Prof but I think these guys are out to lunch.eg
    "Jean-Charles Cachon said he estimates Local 6500 members, by themselves, normally contribute $20 million a month to Sudbury’s economy"
    $20 million divided by 3030 workersmore» working 168 hrs per month would have to be spending $6600 per month into the Sudbury economy. This wouldn't include mortgages, car loans, credit cards etc. Even so, to NET $6600 a gross of over $9,000/mo or $55/hr average wage would be necessary.
    As for strikers leaving Sudbury to work for the gold mines, does he have anything to support this statement? To work somewhere else, a striker would have to quit Vale Inco. Unlike other contract settlements the USW of America may not be able to negotiate the return of these terminated workers since Vale has made it plain that a reduced workforce was in their plan (350 via the pension offer).
    How much does Prof. Cachon figure this?
    Northern Life should do some vetting of these dumb claims before they print them.
    Gotta wonder about these academics.«less

  • The problem with people like 'drifter' and 'Mike K',is that they seem to think its their God given right to determine how much money a Vale worker is entitled to and whats fair and not fair.

    Ironically,when 'Mike' gotmore» questioned on HIS salary,on another story,in these forums,he became quite annoyed.

    Isnt it interesting on how some people always think.......OTHER people are ALWAYS overpaid.Of course,when they are questioned about THEIR salary,well..............«less

  • Jeez big_picture.......when I go to the Union Website and read the offer, I can't find the "concessions".

    Can you help me out here? I'm starting to feel some sympathy for Local 6500 families but need to understand what you turnedmore» down before I do more than haul pallets to the guys at the barrel.«less

  • big_ picture....How long of an extension was the union looking for?

  • Anyone can see the entire original contract offer itself at www.fairdealnow.ca It's VALE's offer. The union's offer was to extend the existing contract. Unfotunately I can't seem to be able to post any links here.

  • big picture..... how about posting local 6500`s version of the offer so all can see. If anyone cuts and pastes on here all we get is "that`s from Vale`s website and doesn`t tell the whole story" So now is your chance let`s see your cut andmore» paste. After all we`ve seen many members chirp about wanting to see the purchase "Agreement" that Vale signed when they took over. Turn about is fair play don`t you think?«less

  • Its posted online, do you really want me to copy paste information thats readily available?

    The wage range between $25.28 and $33.20, and the bonus will be capped at 20% of non overtime wages (75% of 20% of your wages quarterly and 25% of 20%more» annually).

    Yes, some of new employee wages will come off to fund a portion of their pension... like most people lucky enough to have a pension. Im sorry, but thats a very reasonable offer for a manual labourer by any means.«less

  • Drifter you've touched some of the key issues but I'd like to let MikeK respond.

  • by the way big_picture
    I think it would be appreciated by many of us if you would clarify the strike issue.
    Silly us thought they were:
    new ni bonus calculation formula with a payout cap, different pension system for new hires but available tomore» current employees if they chose to switch plans and thirdly, restricting plant to plant transfers to 1 every 3 years.
    What are the concessions on the table and what do they mean?«less

  • The more I learn about Vale Inco and the USW of America (a union formed with the support of the US government because Joe McCarthy had established the Mine Mill and other similar unions as Communist) the more I believe the Local 6500 strike is NOT amore» Sudbury strike but a global conflict between the USW of America and an emerging Brazillian multi national conglomerate,
    If this is the case, no one is going to blink here guys but when Vale starts hiring new people in February and the strikers hold a de-certification vote in the middle of July, Vale will send the message to their other global properties that they're not to be angered.
    This is scary.......I'm sounding like MAXIMVS-corruptioncentral«less

  • MikeK, If you think that Vale if offering $30/hour plus 20% bonus you are sadly mistaken. So let's see if you know what the offer actually is? What are the concessions on the table and what do they mean. I am very familiar with them but I want tomore» know if you are. I suspect that you will either come up with an excuse not to or you won't respond at all. How can you judge something you know nothing about?«less

  • Mickey...The domino effect is a chain reaction that occurs when a small change causes a similar change nearby, which then will cause another similar change, and so on in linear sequence...There are some with brains and some without. It makes for a bettermore» division of labour.«less

  • That's from Vales offer, they aren't trying to take that away. I think its a decent offer. Your welcome to fight for what you got, or more for all I care, thats your perogative. However, you insult a lot of people who aren't as well offmore» and work just as hard for their money when you imply that what Vale is offering is not a decent living wage.

    I try to put myself in their shoes...to picture myself in the situation where my director said my wages or benefits needed to be cut back to make my division more profitable, and of course I wouldnt like it... who would? But if the offer was still fair (and I couldn't find a better job elsewhere), and the alternative was I may lose my job, I just can't picture myself not taking the hit and securing my job, it just doesnt make sense to me.«less

  • MikeK, Just so you understand IS a decent living no one is saying it isn't but the union is trying to protect that because VALE wants to take it away. And the union believes everyone deserves a decent living.

  • The retired workers of 6500 worked to ensure that they and future workers had as safe an environment as can exist in an underground mining setting, and that they were decently compensated for that work. You don't feel that $30/hour plus up to 20%more» bonus is a decent living wage for a Sudbury labourer?«less

  • So drifter, we should show our gratitude to the retired workers of 6500 (the ones who fought for "safe working conditions, job security, right to refuse, 30 and out pensions and a decent living wage") by giving up the things they foughtmore» for?
    Sorry, does not compute.
    Top three issues 2009 - pension, decent living wage (affected by pension, bonus, and OT issues), and job security.«less

  • I had Jim Gordon as an english teacher in high school and even then you got the feeling that he was "phoning it in." Apparently this goes for his efforts as a politician as well. So you want to attract business to the city. You immediatelymore» think of call centers and big box stores?? Really??? No one wants to work in a call center, those who work there do so because it's the only alternative at the time. Ask anyone who works at one and I gurantee they will tell you how awful it is. As for the box stores it's a no-brainer. NONE of the profits taken in by a Wal-mart or similar outlet stays in the community. Better off offering incentives to local entrepreneurs to start up enterprises themselves. The last thing any city needs is another stinking Wal-mart.«less

  • Lloyd- would it be insignificant if your employer wanted to take thousands of dollars out of your pocket every year???

  • This strike is VALE's fault. They made $4.2 Billion NET profit since they purchased INCO. The union didn't ask for one red cent increase on in this new contract. In fact they proposed an extension of the existing contract and the COMPANY saidmore» NO. So if they ask for huge cuts when they make record breaking profits what will they ask for in 3 years from now. If the union loses, Sudbury loses. It's that simple. Vale wants to make even more money and they want it ou of Sudburians pockets!«less

  • Lloyd, before passing judgement on the significance of the companies proposed concessions, you should actually find out what they are. I would be happy to enlighten you if you have any questions. if you think you understand the concessions than by allmore» means tell us what you think they are.«less

  • What a shame that thousands of peoples' lives are so disrupted economically, over such insignificant things that the company was requesting; and so that a handful of union leaders can try to save face. Shameful it is, and not because of the company.

  • Something to think about......
    There is still Uranium underground at Elliot Lake. There were good miners and well run mines there. Then they found Uranium in Saskatchewan that was easier and cheaper to mine. That was the end of the Elliot Lakemore» mines.
    now
    There's a lot of nickel underground in Sudbury but each year it gets deeper and more expensive to mine. In Indonesia, New Caledonia, Brazil, Dominican Republic and Cuba, nickel is sitting on surface with grades that are higher than Sudbury (2.5% is typical) and you can dig it out of the ground with a hydraulic excavator. People there can work for the mines and live well or pick bananas and just get by.
    Wise up guys!!!!!!
    All of you guys on the line from Elliot Lake should know better.«less

  • That about nails it LM-the new 4lane hwy that they're bragging about, should have 3 lanes going south, and a cow trail coming in! Anybody starting out their life after their schooling, should hit the highway and get a good job somewhere else.Whenmore» this strike mess is all done with, who'd want to come back here for more than a day or two for holidays, to visit the less fortunate that are stuck here!«less

  • It was the same economy back in the 80's....anyone graduating had to get out of this town.....some return and some don't. Sudbury usually isn't the place where many young people start there careers...

  • The gratitude we non Local 6500 members owe (if we do) is to the fathers and grandfathers of the guys on the line who were born in Sudbury.......they fought for safe working conditions, job security, right to refuse, 30 and out pensions and a decentmore» living wage.
    To the members of Local 6500 who moved here from all over Canada because of these things, we owe nothing.
    When you moved here 10 years ago or less you thought you had gone to heaven. Now look at you!«less

  • I remember the days when INCO was on strike, the whole town was crippled. Not any more. Look around this city. The malls are packed, traffic is crazy, house booming... We workers are no longer supporting this town on our own. Who is buying now if theremore» are only 3,000 ValeInco employees on strike? With that said, why is it that the remaining Sudburians can well afford the standard of living they are enjoying presently. I'll tell you why. The sweat and hard work of the old INCO and FALCONBRIDGE workers. They fought for decades for a better way of life in this community and the results were worth it. Now, this community is calling those hard workers GREEDY and SELFISH. All these businesses that started and stayed open all because of them. SHAME on you for even thinking badly about us. We are not the majority but WE are the backbone of this community. Come and support us.«less

  • The figures given aren't those of an average workers. They may be the one of the development miners that gets bonus. Most people working as logistics, mechanics, electrician, etc.. are roughly making 50 to 60 000 a year. The 80 000 $ figuresmore» brought forward were met only in the previous 2 years because the nickel bonus was very and I say extremely generous every quarter of the previous 2 years. So Stop saying that everyone is making more than 80 000 $ a year. If you do the math we usually lose 40 - 50 % in taxes, govt. etc... so what is left now professor?«less

  • At this point and time, just watch crime and disparation come into affect. The young will leave Sudbury, because of lack of work. What will happen in the next decad. Don't you think, cost of living, homes... Sudbury is in a great down fall and themore» municipale goverment and provincial aren't doing anything to stop it. That is the plain fact of things.«less

  • Jack..it seems as though you are taking this personally. Let me ease your little mind. I was making a point in reference to the numbers the Prof. @ LU is using. They dont seem to add up. I am fully aware that ladies work, im not that far removed. I wontmore» take that as a direct insult, nor your other comment. But lets be honest, if all of 6500 is spending ALL their pay in sudbury each month, i think its time for a little money management 101, but not from our friend Mr. Cachon, he will lead you in the wrong direction.«less

  • OneUp
    "Im not trying to dipute any facts, but i will...
    Does this make sense? Can someone add some ​i​n​s​i​g​h​t​?"

  • Are you that far removed from society to see that most wives have to work to "keep the boat afloat!".
    Forgive me for a couple of trips to the sault this year but the rest of my money was spent in town. Although lately unless your selling gasmore» or groceries your not making too much from our family.«less

  • ...ONE LAST THING...NOT EVERYONE SPENDS ALL THEIR MONEY IN SUDBURY.

  • JL...that doesn't bring much clarity. Are you trying to say that ALL of 6500 spends ALL or MOST of their wages in Sudbury, because lets be honest here, if someone is spending $6500/month, there probably isnt much left over to SAVE, granted they aremore» making a total (with bonus) of 120K a year, the NET would be somewhere around 80K a year. And so, if they spend $6500 a month (which equals roughly 80K a year NET..as you stated and i agree) this doesn't make much sense to me since, they would have $0 left (or their wives are keeping the boat afloat!)

    Not trying to be negative, just trying to make sense of this article which, unfortunetly doesnt add up. Very discouraging that a 'business strategy' LU prof. Mr. Cachon is so simplistic in his strategy and misguiding.

    ONE LAST THING...«less

  • $6666 x 12 is around 80 grand per year pretty well exclusively spent in this town.

  • Im not trying to dipute any facts, but i will..."Local 6500 members, by themselves, normally contribute $20 million a month to Sudbury’s economy" this equals $6666 per member a MONTH of expenditure. Does this make sense? Can someone add somemore» insight?«less