Council mulls over reducing number of fire stations

Oct 28, 2009- 2:43 PM

By: Ed Veilleux - Sudbury Northern Life Staff

Some fire stations may go up in smoke as part of the 2010 city budget trimming process.

Ward 5 Coun. Ron Dupuis brought up the idea of reducing the number of fire stations at a finance committee meeting on Oct. 26, saying it is time for the city to revisit some tough questions.

“We're not experts when it comes to fire services and so on, but I was part of the (2004) master fire plan and the creation of it. We had long, serious discussions about the positioning of larger stations in different areas of the city. It's to the point now where we really have to look at it, because we are spending a significant amount of money. We've got to ask ourselves is it worth it and where do we draw the line?”

Greater Sudbury fire chief Marc Leduc said at this point, he is unsure whether closing stations is a realistic option.

“It's a complex question. There are a lot of factors that relate to that (decision).”

As far as how cutting stations would affect service, it would depend on what alternatives are developed to provide services to the areas which would lose their stations, according to Leduc.

“It depends on what type of response, whether it's a volunteer response or a career response. Fire stations that have a career response (are) quicker to respond when it comes to leaving the station.”

The fire chief said “whichever benchmark is set by the community,” is what the firefighters will strive for.

“(If) council says they want a four-minute response time in an urban area, for example, (and for us) to reach 90 per cent of the people, 90 per cent of the time, (then) that's what we have strive for by doing a station location study that will show how many stations we'll need to acquire that.”

Fire services has a performance measure called the 10-in-10, brought in by the Ontario fire marshal, which sets the bar for municipalities to provide 10 firefighters on scene within 10 minutes of a fire call, according to Leduc.

“That is a very substantial standard,” Leduc said. “Many rural communities will not meet that standard. In fact, some urban areas are just meeting it.”

The fire chief said it will be difficult to cut stations in rural areas and still meet response times.

“The difficulty in the rural areas is we're so spread apart, (so) there's not a lot of opportunity. If you remove one station and then you're significantly increasing response time,” he said.

“We have to look at the second station responding as well. If you're going to get into interior fire-and-rescue, we should have at least two pumpers on scene and other apparatus. That requires a second station to respond. Now if that other station is too far away, then we wouldn't be able to safely do interior firefighting.”

An option to reduce spending, according to Leduc, is to reduce stations and fire vehicles, and increase the amount of career firefighters to cover the gap.

“You could reduce costs by having less capital and maintaining less capital by having less fire stations and less (fire vehicles)... We'd be reducing capital costs and increasing operating costs... We're always looking at options. In some areas, once we've consulted the public, there may be reductions in some areas of the city.”

The reductions would come in time to be counted towards reducing a possible deficit in the 2010 city budget, which the city is still deliberating on, according to Leduc.

This year's fire services budget carries a 2.9 per cent increase. Leduc said his department has been thorough in examining spending in their budget and prioritizing.

“We've maintained an inflationary budget. So, aside from inflation, there is no increase to the fire budget this year.”

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16 Comments

  • This is not the way to go. The department is small enough. I do believe it is smaller than most that are servicing cities comparable to the size of Sudbury.If I am not mistaken North Bay Fire Department is bigger that ours.Emergency services are essential and should not be cut. The safety of the citizens are the primary importance. Also this issue was brought up before. Where would they locate a new station to say service New Sudbury and the Minnow Lake area, on the Kingsway. That would be a real brainer, good luck trying to respond during rush hour traffic. Maybe the city could look at cutting some city vehicules, almost everyone working for the city has a city vehicule, and more than likely uses it after hours and they don`t pay for the gas. Maybe the real solution to the whole deficit problem in this city would be to bring in all new councillors with fresh new ideas. Most that are in office have been there to long and are to complacent. Don`t forget the cost of building new stations does not come cheap. This may actually cost the taxpayers more that it would actually save. If the city council is thinking of doing this, it should be left up to the taxpayer, during an election.

  • When I worked out of that station there was always a compliment of 4. That is at every station I worked out of.

  • From what I understand, they will not reduce the number of firefighters, as what seems to be claimed by posters. The City wants to cut down the number of fire halls reducing costs of maintenance, heating, electricity, etc... For example, instead of having halls in Hanmer, Val Thérèse, and Val Caron, all vehicles and staff would be consolidated at the Val Thérèse station.

    What I would like to know is why does it say that the Valley has 4 FT firefighters on staff, yet there are only ever 2 at the hall? That means that an event like the fatal fire in 2001 will occur again because they will still need to wait for other FFs to arrive prior to entering a building.

  • Wow, I can't believe people in this city would want to cut emergency services. Not only do firefighters respond to fires, they also respond to all unconcious calls (in case paramedics in that area are already on a call and a rig from another area is enroute), all water rescue calls, not to mention they help for serious motor vehicle accidents, and are always there to help paramedics for the really big lifts. Oh and did someone forget to mention they will enter burning buildings to pull out your loved ones.

  • There certainly are firefighters making over a 100 grand a year Spinner.Like Concerned Citizen says read the sunshine list,you may be surprised.

    I'm with you on that one Top Gun.I don't know how this guy is re-elected.It's time we elect someone in the Valley who represents us properly.

  • umm..regarding who makes 100 grand a year...just read the sunshine list, ...

  • tapped out in the Nickel, you are mistaken. Firefighters do not make 100 grand ayear, not even close.
    The problem is that the city doesn't know how to spend money! They cut cost in the wrong places, they do not buget. They wait til things go to far gone then spend twice as much fixing, instead of maintaining.
    This is because the city of Sudbury is only part time, part counsellers, part time employees and half ideas.
    We need need to get ride of part time counsellers, get full time ones. Forcing them to work and to be held accountable. Most of sudbury's problems are they don't do anything and when they do it's too late. why ? because , they have no clue what going on, because they are part time and not accountable!

  • Ron Dupuis? When are the voters going to wake up and get rid of this piece of s222t.

  • Fire department useless. I live in the valley. Mostly volenteers. They try hard I guess, but don't get the required training. I'm glad my house is fire proof.

  • One date that the city should remember. April 2001. The time when two young lives and their great-grandmother were lost to house fire in Hanmer due to lack of fire service. Closing fire stations and reducing fire fighters is a recipe for disaster. Wake up. Don't let this tragedy happen again due to the short sightedness of city council.

  • Who is going to pay for the increased insurance costs if stations close? Areas not serviced by municipal water and hydrants already pay higher insurance premiums because our homes are more than 200 ft from fire hydrants.

    If the council really wants to cut costs, do away with all the municipal vehicles being driven home by employees everyday. Who really requires a city vehicle all of the time?? AND shut off the lights in city hall after office hours. What municipal employees and officials, other than the police, work at city hall after 6pm?? The lights are on in lots of offices on several floors until the wee hours or the morning. Is cleaning being done all night long requiring lights? I think not. Look at other things to cut other than fire services.

  • yeah, I would have to really worry. being outside of the inner city and losing a fire department will up my insuanrce catastrophically...

    I wonder if the city cares about this point at all?
    I really have to question, how is less more?
    How are you going to improve service in the out lying areas by taking away fire services in those parts with out having a HUGE cost to the tax payer?

  • Think hard about your opinion here.... you're house is on fire, and your kids are still inside.... how far away do you want the fire department to respond?? I know there are other ways to reduce costs.... usually managerial, which is why it never happens........

  • Salaries have to be an issue also.Firefighters making over a hundred grand a year?For what?

  • More front line workers and LESS middle/upper management at city hall is the way to go!

  • Full time firefighters and less stations is the only way to go!

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