Loud Bell Park music events a 'nuisance'

Community consultations for a draft design for the proposed Grace Hartman Amphitheatre redesign at Bell park were held at Tom Davies Square Tuesday night. Some residents said there were problems with noise and lack of protection from the weather that needed to be addressed. Photo by Bill Bradley.

Community consultations for a draft design for the proposed Grace Hartman Amphitheatre redesign at Bell park were held at Tom Davies Square Tuesday night. Some residents said there were problems with noise and lack of protection from the weather that needed to be addressed. Photo by Bill Bradley.

Sep 23, 2009- 2:20 PM

Citizens vent anger at amphitheatre design consultation

By: Bill Bradley - Sudbury Northern Life

A Sept. 21 community consultation over the new design for the Bell Park amphitheatre turned nasty.

Several residents angrily complained about excess noise from musical events in the area of the amphitheatre.

“For several years now, an enormous public nuisance has been perpetrated on the hundreds of people who live within clear reception of noise created at Bell Park in the summer,” said Joan Pella of 157 Nepahwin Avenue.

Although she moved from her former home to escape the noise, she still found her quality of life was affected even in her new home, which is five kilometres away.

“I have to keep the windows shut and even wear ear plugs when I go to bed.”

She mentioned that excess noise can not only be an irritant, but can also cause health effects from the stress.

She told architect Dennis Castellan and landscape architect Rodger Todhunter that she would prefer the new amphitheatre not to be built at Bell Park.

Castellan said efforts will be made to use modern techniques and technology to reduce the noise problem coming from Bell Park events.

“Noise mitigation can be addressed but not entirely eliminated.”

Alan Jennings, who lives on Kingsmount Avenue, agreed with Pella about the noise.

“I still hear loud noise from the park and I live a quarter mile away. We need sound reflecting fencing. Sound has to better controlled there,” said Jennings.

Ward 10 Coun. Frances Caldarelli, who lives further away on Kirkwood Drive, said she dreaded when Bell Park hosted events with loud bands.

“I loathe those events. I hear every one of those decibels. Worse, I get the phone calls,” she quipped.

“The noise problem has to be addressed.”

Gospel musician Ron Whitman asked why noise could not be monitored.

“If they do it for Vale Inco emissions, why cannot noise be monitored as well?”

Chris Gore, the city manager who helped organize the public consultations, said people had to realize that any open air amphitheatre in the middle of the city would generate some noise.

He said though he had been informed of the noise problem at other public consultations with stakeholders.

One method would be to have the city run the sound system at the new amphitheatre, suggested Castellan.

The architect suggested the new amphitheatre be moved up the slope to the north and the existing structure be turned into a grassed area.

The intent was to ensure the new structure would blend in with the natural contours of the site and allow for better access for performers and their equipment.

Another point of contention from some in the audience was whether the new design would protect the audience from the elements, specifically rain and cold winds. It was mentioned that rain had affected some festivals economically this summer.

But Castellan said during consultations with stakeholders who currently use the park and with those who would like to use the facility, opinion varied.

“Some want an roof overhead. Others wanted to see the stars at evening events.”

Gore cited cost concerns as a reason not to provide a cover over the audience. It was suggested that a wind proof fencing system could buffer winds.

But Caldarelli cited excess costs as a reason not have that in place.

Another design item was the seating capacity. Castellan suggested a seating of 1,800 though that was not fixed yet.

“There is a firm hired by the city looking at the business case for what seating should be made available.” He did suggest a mix between fixed hard seating and an adjacent grassed area. He noted the audience would have a better view of the lake than the current set up.

Northern Lights Festival Board member Esa Hermakari said his organization had always thought a seating capacity of 4,000 would be appropriate. Others agreed saying a smaller seating capacity would prevent more expensive bands from being able to be booked.

Gore said a next step in the process will be a city council discussion on the draft designs at the end of October.

Gore said there was still time for the public to give their input by calling 3-1-1.
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27 Comments

  • Sandman-not nice of me to paint everyone with the same brush,huh?-but there is fact in what I say.Been there-done that-only siding with the folks who seem to think that THEY have a say, too.Accept my appology for overstating the issue with a different skew.

  • lol... Sceptic, Come on!
    you obviously never been to one of these" for all ages, bubble wrapped concerts" at the amphetheatre...lol
    Rampant drug use?
    I would have to say that the folks that attend are interested in the music period and NOT the opportunity to do drugs... you see these 2 aren't actually phisically connected to each other you know. You don't have to be High to listen to music.
    that argument is pretty far out there, SORRY!
    Nice low blow, very unnecessary & telling...
    I have been DIRECTLY across the street while music is playing at the main stage(closer to the street than the actual ampheteatre) and sure, you can BARELY here the music from there. in the surrounding neighbouhood houses a possible very low mumbling for 3 hours 4 or 5 times a year...DEAL WITH IT!

  • Dan M...if people could listen to the music at a decibel level that didn't blow you head off, I think everyone would welcome these events.But, sad to say, people go to them with the desire to get blown away by the acoustics, and, if you add a little bit of the ganja, weeellll..."Crank 'er up!...I want EVERYONE to know I'm having fun here!!! " And at the end of it all, when the last of the revellers are down off the buzz, they walk or drive through the neighbourhoods, pissing where they will, puking all over other peoples' lawns, and squealing tires, with absolutely NO respect for anyone or anything...and so it goes, in every city that I've been to.Perhaps you folks should go to smaller venues, like Stage West, or The Princess of Wales,etc...where the music is channelled for YOUR enjoyment, and quite loud enough, I'm sure.After all...it IS the music that you want to hear, NO?

  • "Tomcat 9/23/2009 7:04:10 PM
    The amphitheatre was built there in 1967, I believe, before most of the malcontents chose to have it in their neighborhood. If you weren't willing to accept the noise why did you move there? Move to the bush, but then you'd have bear bangers tomore» whine about"

    You beat me to it.

  • oh my god!!!!
    noise at a concert amphetheatre...NO!!!
    one hand you want improvement and the other hand those improvement are no good...lol
    Screw them all and build it right where it is right where it was but better!
    the 3 weekends a year of loud noise are the only thing this city has going for it!

  • I think instead of Joan Pella complaining about the noise and moving 5km away and still complaining ask the city to build you a bomb shelter in your basement where you will probably be very happy being away from the world and the noise in it!!! Better yet buy a camper and every time you hear music or something going on you can hookup your camper and go way out in the middle of nowhere where you might be happy with no noise!!! We Need to stop all outdoor activities including recess for children the noise bothers me and my stress levels are going through the roof!!!! LOL

  • I'm just kidding, and I never drive around with a stereo system that cost more than my automobile...heh.

  • LOL, LOL, LOL, at 63, I am now a "Young Punk",, LOL, LOL, I have finally arrived.........

  • Noone- is everyone who doesn't like excessively loud music a crabby senior citizen? Remember that our generation "invented it, lived it, and was shaped by it". You younger punks slay me: have a party or ride around in your vehicles, music jacked to the limits, and you can't hear a friggin' thing but a gut-busting bass that will get you 2 streets or 20 cars away....ooohhh wow Dude!...yur TOOO cool!
    Your "in your face" generation has no limits

  • Ms Calderelli is very selective in what she wants to hear. She'll change out a burnt out street light in 24 hrs but will pay no attention when families complain about the CAS which she is the treasurer. Time for Ward 10 to wake up.

  • They sound like crabby senior citizens.

    "Those darn young whipper-snappers and their lousy rock&roll music!"

    SHUT UP GRANDPA!!

  • I live near Queens Athletic field, and everytime there is a game, I can hear the cheering and yelling.
    No wait, I live near the Lilly Creek fields and the laughing and cheering of kids keeps me awake.
    To all the whiners who are complaining about the "noise" from the Bell Park Amphitheatre, how would you like to switch houses? That way on a clear summer night, I can sit in my yard and enjoy the music wafting through the air.

  • Ms. Calderelli, Pimps, Johns, Drug users, Drug dealers, Prostitutes etc. reaking havoc on the residents across the track, that is something perhaps you should be giving attention to instead.

    These people pay high taxes also, and rather than complain about the concert noise a stones throw away from their homes, they escape and go to the festivals, and enjoy some "Peace" for a change away from the chaos and deplorable social conditions on Elgin, Howey, Elizabeth, Morris, Nelson St. etc. that you fail to protect.

  • The trains, police cars, firetrucks, ambulances, helicopters, airplanes, boats, that plague the area with noise everday, in addition to the regular traffic on Paris St. on any given day, every day, are far more disturbing than a melodic sound in the distance across the lake, over the bridge, or across Paris St. into the neigboring areas.

    Most of you complaining seem to live further away from Bell Park or Ramsey Lake than I do, yet I don't complain. Kinsmount Crt. and Kirkwood Dr. and Nephawin Dr. Give me a break people.

    I lived beside the Park and was never disturbed by the so called "enormous public nuisance". Those on Elizabeth St. McNaughton Crt, Ramsey Crt, John St., David St. and other adjacent streets to the park do not seem to be airing too many complaints on here. Hmmmm.

    The festivals and concerts only occur but a few days out of the year, and many of us enjoy the music, laughter, unique venders and colorful character of festival goers. It is a place where many old friends meet once or twice a year, and embrace both new and old memories.

    Ms. Pella, if you moved to get away from the 'noise', after 40 years as you claim, then why did you move so close to the Park again...right on the Lake I gather you did not do your homework?

    Ms. Calderelli, as a city councillor I believe that you are talking out of both sides of your mouth here. You claim that you 'loath' the concerts, yet as a city promoter you claim to embrace the festivals and cultural vibrancy of Sudbury on the platform during election time.

    I believe that you speak out of personal interest here, and in conflict of interest when you complain about the cities festivals as a resident, yet embrace it as a city councillor.

    Perhaps you could spend more time worrying for and fighting for the rights of those who live on the other side of the track in your ward who are plagued with the disturbances on their streets due to prostitution, drug dealers, j

  • I didn't hear one peep from any of these 'poor folks', when we had the Jazz Festival or Dragon Boat Festival or the Free Gazebo concert series this summer, or Canada Day Celebrations etc. though they were just as 'noisy',.

    Further, you did not complain, even though these other concerts were as much in hearing distance to you, or even closer to many of you who are currently complaining residents. Likely, many of you attended these events, therefore had nothing to complain about.

    The concerts were located at Science North, and the Canoe Club Water Front, and the William Bell Gazebo in comparison to the actual location of the Bell Grove (Grace Hartmen Amphethetre; as they call it these days, though I prefer the former name.

    ( *As a side note,I also favor the refurbishing of the Amphetheatre as a historic centenial icon. I also, grieve the loss of the centenial flower garden pattern that has been gutted and redesigned without community consultation I might add, a piece of history lost.

    Some of you folks compaining were there that day in 1967 , standing beside me when I was a mere child to open and celebrate the centenial year and bring a beautifull and joyous place for music to be shared with our community.)

    Many of you, like myself attended these summer concerts yourselves during your youth, and many of your kids have enjoyed these festivals over the years. I still do.

    Technology has given us the privaledge of hearing the great music the way it was meant to be heard, with acoustics we admire.

    I lived beside Lake Ramsey for many years, and now also live only walking distance away from Bell Park. I can hear some of the music, but it is not overly loud, and it definately is not earth shattering, window shaking, bellowing noise that is generated for miles around as some of you complainers whine it to be. Get a Grip People!

    The trains, police cars, firetrucks, ambulances, helicopters, airplanes, boats, that plague the area

  • As a council woman I am shocked that Ms. Calderelli would make such comments about the noise. Wouldn't she want the city to draw talent to the area and generate cash flow into the city. Shame on her and her complaining.

  • In regards to the noise kerfuffle at Bell Park, I find that Francis Calderelli, a city councillor, uses intemperate language to complain about simple pleasures.

    It is reported that she stated that ". . .she dreaded when Bell Park hosted events with loud bands." Further, she states,“I loathe those events. I hear every one of those decibels."

    The concerts give pleasure to many many people during our short summers. 'Tis the nature of a concert to produce noise, or as some might say, music.


    I would ask Ms. Calderelli to encourage concerts, festivals, and similar events, for we all know that no city was ever denigrated for it's cultural vibrancy. I would also ask her, and the others who complain, to join the efforts to sing Sudbury's praise.

    Perhaps if Ms. Calderelli and the other denizens of the Bell Park area who object to the noise level were to think positively of the artistry displayed, go to the concerts and rock it up, they would enjoy the concerts in peace, if not quiet.

    Failing that, perhaps they might book a trip to their cottages on scheduled concert days.

  • Again, a few complainers ruin it for everyone else. Guess we should stop the trains, the city buses, emerge vehicle sirens and airplanes too to keep them happy.

    A mere few concerts a summer. That's all we ask. Heck, I'd even accept attending them at 7pm rather than 9pm.

    AS IF.

  • There is always a bad apple in the bunch. These complainers are just that, complainers. I look forward to a new improved amphitheatre. Come on, close your windows, the park is only open for the summer months and the park closes by 11:00p.m. It isn't as if the noise is going on into the early morning hours. Progress, people!!!!! I do agree with ChrisKN that it would be better if the facility seated more than 1500 people.

  • I am surprised that there are complaints regarding Bell Park Festivals. I hear the music in the evenings when there are festivals going on and I open more windows. I love to hear the music. Why anyone would complain is beyond me. What would our world be without music and I mean music of all kinds. When Bell Park has their festivals, they attract tourism and we need the financial gain from this. Anyone who complains should remember that the festivals don't happen every week-end, and learn to enjoy it, if not, get out your ear plugs...

  • The amphitheatre was built there in 1967, I believe, before most of the malcontents chose to have it in their neighborhood. If you weren't willing to accept the noise why did you move there? Move to the bush, but then you'd have bear bangers to whine about.

  • I loathe this city and the old people who run it.

  • Thank you ChrisKN. That was a truly excellent post that made me consider the issue in a completely different way than I had before.

  • Acoustically the amphitheatre is better than the arena, and I do enjoy a good sounding concert, but then again living in a 1950s utopia where everything is closed at 5, nothing open on Sundays and there is absolutely nothing to do also sounds wonderful with its quietness and total lack of a population. I would honestly just like Sudbury to have SOMETHING. Our arenas are for the most part pushing 60, our indoor soccer field is in an old bingo hall on a carnivourious astroturf field, can we just start building nice things? Things we can use? Places that are fun to go to, places that are a point of pride? ANYTHING where people from other cities can come and say WOW, I wish we had that. Who cares if concerts are loud? it's music, enjoy it. Surely there must be SOME kind of music you enjoying hearing.

  • I was at the meeting and was very disappointed that the conversation focused so much on the noise. I personally think that this amphitheatre, as it's being proposed, will have a very adverse effect on the quality of the park, and with little benefit.

    The overall footprint of this amphitheatre (taking into account expanded walkways and access, back stage areas, and nearby vendor access) is huge. And even though it's gigantic, the current design will only accommodate 1,500-1,800 people, which makes it woefully inadequate for a project of this magnitude.

    The festivals can already accommodate more than that number with the temporary staging, which has far less of an impact on the park and the ability of people to use it on a day-to-day basis.

    I hope there is more consultation and a more definitive idea of the effect this will have on the park itself before they move ahead with actually building it.

    Noisy concerts are so infrequent, it really shouldn't be a major consideration. I lived near Bell Park for many years and always enjoyed hearing the music. Live and let live. It's the footprint that needs to be debated.

  • We agree on that. What a joke.

    A successful, progressive city has festivals, cultural events and other entertainment its residents can attend. This also attracts tourists and people seeking a new place to live. There are economic as well as social benefits to be realized, so this goes beyond griping about a noisy neighbour.

    I perceive these people as malcontents who need to pull the stick out and learn to go with the flow.

  • NIMBY strikes again.

    Every time a decision is made in this town that is even SLIGHTLY progressive, people complain.

    Sometimes I think this community deserves to live in the 1950s bizarro world that its residents have crafted.

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