Vale Inco considering legal options after union sets up blockades

Vale Inco vice-president John Pollesel said strikers, some in disguise, have set up secondary picket lines. Photo by Marg Seregelyi.

Vale Inco vice-president John Pollesel said strikers, some in disguise, have set up secondary picket lines. Photo by Marg Seregelyi.

Feb 10, 2010- 2:28 PM

By: Heidi Ulrichsen - Sudbury Northern Life

Access to “virtually all” of Vale Inco's plants has been blocked by striking members of Steelworkers Local 6500 since early this morning (Feb. 10).

Vale Inco spokesperson Steve Ball said “illegal” secondary picket lines, or picket lines aside from established picket lines, have also been set up in some locations.

He said employees who normally cross the picket lines are being advised by their supervisors whether or not they should show up for work today.

“Obviously, we're going to keep testing the lines, even if they're blockaded. But we certainly don't want people to put themselves in any spots of danger,” he said.

“We've got security people there. Each plant has got some kind of individual protocols in place, depending on whether the blockade is actually at the picket line, or whether it's (at a) secondary line away from the main (picket) line.”

Ball said the blockades are “certainly” a breach of picket line protocol, which is set out by a court injunction.

“Based on the actions from today, we will be considering our options. That will be in the hands of our legal department.”

Steelworkers Local 6500 president John Fera could not be immediately reached for comment about the situation.

Vale Inco vice-president of production services and support John Pollesel wrote about what he called “an escalation of acts of intimidation and violence in relation to the strike” in a Feb. 9 message on a Vale Inco website dedicated to the labour dispute, www.valeinconegotiations.com.

“We have witnessed incidents involving a large number of disguised people who have created blockades several hundred feet from those picket lines previously agreed to and who have been threatening violence to our employees and those providing services to us,” Pollesel wrote.

“Alarmingly, we have started to see a trend of staff employees being harassed and intimidated by other individuals or groups in public gathering places, as well as threatening harm to family members and personal property.”

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98 Comments

  • cont.....we’re moving away from a dependent community, to an independent community that can support itself with AND without mining operations. Move away??? NO WAY!!! Sudbury is growing and expanding…and turning into an exciting city full of opportunity.

  • Sorry, I mean't "Don't wish or hope for people to go through tought times and struggle."

  • Sorry citizen. Again I must disagree with you! It is a good thing that we're moving away from reliance on a mining industry to keep our town alive and vibrant. Mining towns are known for their 'boom bust' cycles. If Sudbury was reliant on just the mining industry, then this strike would be crippling the community. And no offense meant...but personally, I think it's a good thing that this strike is NOT affecting everyone so severely that it would cripple the community! Honestly, would you want Sudbury to be so reliant on mining, that a strike would devastate everyone in the community??? I don't think so. I wish or hope for people to go through tough times and struggle. If the world was perfect, then everyone would be sailing along in life with no troubles. But it's not. And I'm happy that Sudbury has moved away from being just a mining town, and expanding its horizons to other less...how do I put it...volatile professions.
    I know that the percentage of people employed by Vale is low, but I also know that there are several other businesses that are feeling the pinch. However, as others have stated, it's better for those other businesses to expand their clientele so that when a strike occurs in the future, they won't be as seriously affected as some are now. So once again, I think that's a good thing.
    And as for your final point. I know that Sudbury was built from the hard work of generations of miners. And I'm sure that most people will agree with me when I say "thank you" to that! They have helped create a wonderful city with a sense of community for us all to enjoy. However, I don't think any of them would sit there and tell us that that's all they ever wanted our community to amount too. Just like a parent watching their children grow and expand, they would not tell their kids “I only amounted to this level so that’s all you should do too…and be happy about it.” So, I am happy that w

  • Given the bitterness and animosity of Local 6500 towards Vale Inco, wouldn't it make sense for the company to assume a settlement with Local 6500 would result in the return of a work force not committed to anything but revenge and retaliation??
    If that's true, and given the minimal affect of Sudbury on Vale's bottom line and the glut of nickel on the world market, isn't it logical that the company hire "scabs" and contractors to do the jobs that Local 6500 was doing?

    So, the Company contracts out the operation of the mines, establishes the most economical source of nickel required to produce the profitable nickel "foam" and the copper/pms Nickel production would be on a flywheel basis...only when its profitable.
    Scary shit don't you think?

  • rightocentre&informed.

    I'm aware of the numbers re population of Sudbury. The percentage of those employed is the number to look at. The percentage of those employed with occupations that either directly or indirectly effect the employment of others...and so on...and so on. This is the number of concern.
    Wanting to destroy a union...your argument is productivity? What is this an episode of the "LION'S DEN"? What is your personal investment?
    You don't think the new boys will have a problem with the bull whips cracking? REALLY? Generations in solidarity have protected the rights of the worker. A precedent has been set. You're in favor of its destruction? Do you not SEE how this effects the rights of everyone? Do you not SEE how the survival of OUR COMMUNITY is dependent on this solidarity?
    This comment... "Sudbury was founded as a mining town...we're moving away from that...THATS A GOOD THING" ???? Generations of blue collar workers have paved the way for the rest of us.. justifying government funding for local colleges and the university, hospitals and so on...and so on ...and so on.. So That's what it has come down to people? "HEY THANKS FOR THE INVITE but we don't need you anymore!!! SOUND FAMILIAR?? 'EM? Anyone want to go out on a limb on that one? It was blue collar heart and work ethic that paid for my education. I'LL NEVER FORGET the sacrifices made by my dad, a dedicated hard working MINER, so that I could have choices. I made Sudbury home only 14 years ago. Work brought me here and the sense of community is what has kept me here. My choice..understand its history, respect its organizations, respect its people.
    To any of you out there that agree with the statement "We're moving away from that..thats a good thing". Take your own advice...MOVE AWAY.

  • It's strange that we don't hear from the surface workers or their significant others about how hard they work. We did hear from the smelter workers a while back telling us how dangerous it was to start up the smelter with untrained (non-Local 6500) workers and how the town of Copper Cliff would become a crater when the "non Local 6500 workers" started the oxygen plant up.
    Time to claim your job is quickly running out Local 6500.
    If the mines and plants are running in July at the same or lower cost that they were running with you guys, why would Vale Inco let you back in? You know you're going going to have a very negative attitude while the workers doing the job will appreciate having your job.

  • Educate the public as to why the union's stance is what it is, rather then let everyone assume the membership is just greedy. Work toward getting Vale back to the table to NEGOTIATE. Don't dictate. Negotiate the terms of the concessions, how it fits in to Vale's plan, how it could benefit the workers, what device is in place for those that can see something that isn't working well to communicate in an open forum to their management.

    It always amazed me the dollars that were spent on consultants and business plans to improve sites and production when the people they needed to talk to are right under your noses - your workers. If you want loyalty, you have to inspire that loyalty. It's amazing how productive and beneficial a loyal employee is. They will be the most valuable asset a company can have.

    Get these men and women back to work. Let Sudbury prosper as it has for the last 100 years+.

  • No matter how you cut it, everyone here is disatisified with the strike on some level. Some because they feel 6500 has walked away from good paying jobs and how dare they do so in the current economy? Others because the strike action has an impact on local businesses. Others yet because of reasons of their own.

    The interesting part of all this is the assumption that everyone knows what it is like to work underground. Although my husband could arrange for me to tour and see what it is like, my ears do not "pop" when ascending or decending, so I can't even take the cage to the 4,000 level where he worked (or the 6,500 level where he worked). Even flying, it is painful. Even from that perspective, I can't imagine wanting to go underground every day. When he has a cold, the pain is excruciating.

    When I complain about my work, whether it is a political happening in my place of employment or just having a bad day, he will listen. He offers advice. But he doesn't assume that my job is any easier or worse than his. Every job has its challenges. Each of us approach our worklives differently. I know some people who clean toilets for a living. There are those toilet cleaners that do a terrible job and those that make it shine.

    I guess what I am getting to is unless you have walked a mile in someone's shoes, don't be so quick to judge.

    Having said that, I may not always agree with the tactics endorsed by 6500 representation. My husband and I both agree there is no need for violence on the picket line, no need to rock cars or attack individuals who are trying to do their jobs. I know bringing in others to do your work is very difficult to live with, but there should be pressure put on the company in different ways, legally, morally, ethically and with thought and dialogue. Write letters to the company, to mp's, to government, to other companies in the industry. Educate the public as to why the union's stance is

  • Citizen, not trying to instruct in english language, merely trying to point out useless exageration, which is a main tactic of this union.

    r.o.c. and informed are right on - Sudbury's survival is not at all dependent on the success of 6500. Sudbury is, and will continue to, march on just fine without this particular union.

    Thanks for the benefit of the doubt, but I do not support 6500. I'd try desist from insulting 6500, but I don't think I have thus far. If my disagreeing with the verbal tactics of supporters so far has you feeling insulted, then I suggest you are probably a little too sensitive.

  • citizen - i respect your opinions as you always put together intelligent comments but you post below is so far from reality I have to call you out...

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    Our survival as a community is dependent on the success of local 6500.
    -------------------------------------------------------

    6500 once upon a time was a crucial part of sudbury. However, years of being pampered to by INCO - taking more and giving less to the company has made this once proud union and workforce so far behind where they should be in terms of productivity. IF (looking more like when) a new workforce comes in the Sudbury Mines will be in a much bettter position to keep this company succesful for the next 25 years. Everyone knows tha a culture change is required at INCO - this is what is happening now. The workers need to be realigned because right now they are out of touch with reality.

  • Citizen. I disagree with you. Our survival as a community is not dependent on the success of local 6500. The city has a population of 160 000 people. Local 6500 only makes up 3000 of those individuals. The survival of our community was dependent on Inco and Falconbridge in the past (hence the reason why the 78-79 strike impacted the community the way it did...) but this strike hasn't had the same outcome. Sudbury was founded as a mining town, but we're moving away from that. Which is a good thing! Think about all the people employed by the 2 colleges and the University, the Hospitals, all levels of government, and so on....

  • Scupperdrain? Get real. "I do beg to differ". Let us FOCUS for a moment. Clearly, you are in the wrong forum if your wish is to instruct on the English language. Allow me to paraphrase... our survival as a community ( on every level)
    is dependent on the success of local 6500.
    I'm fair. I will give you the benefit of doubt.. you do support local 6500..."please desist" from insulting local 6500 and their supporters. Refocus... its not a debate of arrogance nor ignorance.

  • Should have read citizen, not Suez.

  • Suez, kindly refer to my previous post on the use of hyperbole: i.e. your statements ÈIf it wasn't for the loyalty, the comradery of unions we would all be living in tar papermore» shacks. THEY are the reason why any business set up shop here. THEY are the bread and butter of this townÈ

    Also, please desist from using the term Ègive youère head a shakeÈ...it has been most overused in debates about this strike...try something new, like, ÈI beg you to differÈ, or Èyouère completely out or your gourdeÈ.

  • Well said Suez. HARD WORKING MINERS built this town. It has been through blood, sweat and tears. THEY brought the standard of living to where it needs to be. If it wasn't for the loyalty, the comradery of unions we would all be living in tar paper shacks. THEY are the reason why any business set up shop here. THEY are the bread and butter of this town. For those out there who think differently....give your head a shake. Would you support business that doesn't support you? I personally will not support a business that doesn't value local 6500. I may not be a member of 6500 but I value local 6500 and have the deepest of respect. I appreciate the right of free speech... this ill nasty term thats been flying around... Get real..don't bite into the bs. If we all lived in an "ideal" world strikes wouldn't be necessary but until we get there... just maybe some of the so called "rules" need to be challenged... perhaps if we showed some solidarity as Sudbarians... Canadians... allowing foreign interest to "trim", YOUR LIVELIHOOD?...YOUR TOWN?... Support local 6500, THEY support Sudbury.

  • It's the third period,with a minute left in the game. Score:
    Vale Inco - 10 USW - 0

  • Inco didn't hire without post secondary education for many years now, thats why people like you never got hired!

  • imagine going to work, standing outside for 8 hours each day. these people have been doing it for 7 months and not even getting paid. LOL, get a life nards. USW miners in Sudbury are homegrown terrorists, how do you explain how the union condones the actions of the beating on southview? These people hunt specific people and hurt/kill them. the union thinks its a joke, well you know what's a joke? the pennies in your bank after a dry 7 months.

    they're so poor that they can't even afford wood for a sign, the guy centred in the picture has a stop sign pole rofl.

  • hahahaha, that was actually funny. I el oh elled reading that. Good one Dubya. Humor aside, your logic still has more holes in it than Nelson Muntz's Dad's shootin' car. Ahhhh the steelworkers pay well however, they cut me a sweet check for my 2 days of bloggin hard, gettin' pucks in the net and diggin' deep in the corners. It's bo bo night all night 2night!!!!

  • LOL at Paid USW Bloggers pretending to be community members and showing support.

  • OMG...seriously...this strike is NOT ABOUT CITIZENS OF CANADA VS. BRAZIL!!! Do you honestly not have a clue how ridiculous that sounds!!!! Stop making this stike into a National issue because IT'S NOT!!!!

  • The only terrorist in our community is Vale.

  • Good job USW someone has to stand up to maintain are rights as citizens of Canada. USW should make this a weekly event so the citizens like me can come and show my support!

  • kiss my axe - you're either with us or you're with the terrorists.

  • If you understood what exactly where you were doing by implying that strikers are terrorists... you perhaps wouldn't make that comparison.

    It's so far blown and completely irrational that it's beyond all ridicule. This ain't the Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer, I'm sorry... it's just not, and it's never gonna be. The claim is baseless, COMPLETELY baseless.

    Great, you disagree with the 6500, and nobody is saying that everything they're doing is completely justified. But dude, when you derive THAT kind of conclusion about them, you are incriminating them to furthest extent of the law and suggesting they should be subjected punishment that not even the Geneva convention could save them from. You really, honestly, believe that each and everyone of these strikers should be detained indefinitely in foreign offshore prisons, waterboarded and tortured? C'MAN!?!?! Give your head a shake!

  • scupperdrain - we don't negotiate with terrorist! stop it!

  • Citizen, I appreciate your comments.

    The mines are responsible for the building of Sudbury. The millions of dollars that came out of the ground and the number of miners killed over the years have built our community.

    I was looking at old issues of the Inco Triangle on-line the other day. There was pride and loyalty attached to being employed with Inco. There was appreciation. There was education. Remember, when Inco first started, men were even hired for their prowess at hockey or baseball, not their ability to mine. That was secondary. There was a true cultural melting pot in places like Creighton. Take a look at the history, people, the pride in community and the hard work that went into developing our area.

    Do you feel that pride today? There are constant accusations that the men and women that work for Vale don't appreciate their jobs, they are lazy, they sleep on the job, aren't educated and so on. I understand some people are envious of the wages/benefits that the 6500 membership earn; however, have they walked a mile in their shoes? Have you worked in a stope where the oxygen was so minimal the air was blue? Have you worked in a stope where the water was acidic and putting holes in your clothing, not to mention what could happen when that water gets in your eyes? Have you been stuck underground when the return shaft caved in and had to wait around for 12 to 18 hours for inspectors to make sure the secondary shaft was safe enough to use? Have you ever been hurt underground as a result of equipment malfunction? The rate of pay and bonus system was set up as compensation for the workers for inherent risk and future losses. Before you say firemen and police officers also have risk, I realize that. However, they, too, have bargaining committees that work on behalf of their interests. As essential services, their right to strike has been refused by the government. Just the same, when their contracts are negotiated, they will

  • kissmyaxe/mikeandnat,

    An end to the use of the "terrorism" comparison will occur when union members and supportes cease usign the following hyperbole:

    - third world company
    - third world wages
    - paid vale blogger
    - calling anyone who disagrees with the union position "scab"

    When use of this hyperbolic discourse stops, we will stop calling you terrorists - that, and when 6500 stops using terrorist methods (face-coverings, blockades, targetting individuals by publizing private information on a member-only accessible website, threatening economic sanctions on local business for lack of support).

  • you ppl are unreal.. ppl are in need of support from there own ppl amd all you can say is terrorism... if you think my reasoning for the dtike sounds like mid-eastern terroist, you have a big problem .. but you are right on one thing, violence.... that never fix any problems it always made some...pl in sudbury are getting really pissed off by the ignorence of the ppl around us always putting us down and bad mouthing ppl .. there only so much one man can take.. when he sees that his family is suffering and he has a chance to loose everthing he work so hard for .trust me you would be in the same state of mine. so if you ppl think this is terrorism then lock me up because i'm one of them ....

  • wow, another terrorism reference.... when does it stop honestly? you don't even know terrorism... you need to turn off the CTV Newsnet and CNN and then put down the Globe and Mail for like 5 minutes. You've simply taken a trendy name COMPLETELY out of context. These strikers ARE NOT, for the billionth time... terrorists, build a bridge and get over it, you're not scaring anyone, you're blowing things out of proportion.

  • mikeandnat
    Your reasoning for the strike violence sounds the same as mid-eastern terroists to me chum.

  • No one in their right mind would 'show up' at the picket line and tell you what they really think about the strike! That would be like taking our own lives in our hands and throwing it away. Get over yourself. People have different opinions. And just because someone has a different opionon to you doesn't make them a 'moron' or a 'coward' as you so politely put it.

  • I was on the line the other today, with my YELLOW scarf blowing in the wind and my head held high......We got the call around 10:30 am to take down the barricades, so we did.... some of the staff drove up soon after and asked if the barricades were down and we told them yes, a few said I did not hear that, smiled, and turned around and went home.... YA GOTTA LOVE STAFF… by the way they still got paid for the day.... YA GOTTA LOVE STAFF…… A paid holiday brought to you by 6500…… Your welcome…….

  • all you ppl need to get a life...Terrorism? are you ppl for real. your comparing the union to bommers? unreal... ppl are losing there homes , families, vehicles, all over stupid things and all you ppl can say is terrorism...have any of you ever hear.. "fight for what you beileve in"? that;s what the boys are doingtrust me you would all do the same if it came down to your families.

  • all you ppl need to get a life...Terrorism? are you ppl for real. your comparing the union to bommers? unreal... ppl are losing there homes , families, vehicles, all over stupid things and all you ppl can say is terrorism...have any of you ever hear.. "fight for what you beileve in"? that;s what the boys are doingtrust me you would all do the same if it came down to your families.

  • all you ppl need to get a life...Terrorism? are you ppl for real. your comparing the union to bommers? unreal... ppl are losing there homes , families, vehicles, all over stupid things and all you ppl can say is terrorism...have any of you ever hear.. "fight for what you beileve in"? that;s what the boys are doingtrust me you would all do the same if it came down to your families.

  • Make that were "NOT" afraid.

  • "4th Quarter results in from vile.....4th quarter/08 compared to 4th quarter/09 DOWN 94.8% in Sudbury and down 80.3% in Voisey's Bay....."
    Still made a profit. Just imagine the possibilities if they were to get some real miners that were afraid to put in an honest days WORK.
    I know a four letter word ... not in the USWA handbook.

  • Hey USW, Instead of fighting for every cent you make, here's an idea, why don't you try to work for every cent you make... Maybe you would find a little more support

  • by the way Thompson up 29%....hmmmmmmmmm

  • 4th Quarter results in from vile.....4th quarter/08 compared to 4th quarter/09 DOWN 94.8% in Sudbury and down 80.3% in Voisey's Bay.....hmmmmmmmmmm

  • well over 70% of the staff where I hold the went home with pay.........OK..........Their welcome

  • Dear Newfie
    The Ontario Teachers Pension Fund can be correctly blamed for running to the exchange with their huge Inco holdings to be converted to CVRD cash.

    Thanks for that clarification about The Teachers pension fund.
    R.S.

  • No paid holiday for me. Was told by my manager to work through the shenanigans. Was at my desk 15 min after the blockade came down. Not sure what line you were on camoman. Why didn't anyone blockade the tunnel to General Office? Still not sure why all the VPs and Staff at General Office get a free ride.

  • I was on the line today, with my YELLOW scarf blowing in the wind and my head held high......We got the call around 10:30 am to take down the barricades, so we did.... some of the staff drove up soon after and asked if the barricades were down and we told them yes, a few said I did not hear that and turned around and went home.... YA GOTTA LOVE STAFF… by the way they still got paid for the day.... YA GOTTA LOVE STAFF…… A paid holiday brought to you by 6500…… Your welcome…….

  • For those of you defending the wearing of balaclavas in -24 degree weather, just remember - these were the same guys that were wearing balaclavas in PLUS 5C weather in October with sunglasses BEFORE dawn when they would show up unannounced at the line. No intimidation there.

  • You Do Right!!! Shut it down.... enough is enough. I'm disappointed in the lack of support out there. Try to see beyond the end of your nose. Take the blinders off. They are on strike for a REASON which goes further than a pay check. Understand the history of this town and its people. The only interest the company has here is what comes out of the ground. The reason why sudbury is on the map. The comments..???
    yep they earn a descent wage...yep descent benefits, it didn't come on a silver platter. They fought for every cent, they stood their ground. Your quick to want their job. What's your incentive? Working in a dark hole..life expectancy shorter than average..em? is that what interest you? It can't be for bonus? This company doesn't believe in bonus. When they try to shut out local 6500...what chance do you think the little man solo has ....not a leg to stand on! Have some respect people... for yourself.... If you have your head held high crossing a picket line... YOU NEED TO GET IT CHECKED!!

  • Old Inco is 5% of Vale profit, they can out last anyone. Plus they are opening up new mines around the world and on top of that Vale is bring in 250 + workers from Quebec to do your job

  • And they didn't even mention their Sudbury operations. I hope they haven't forgotten that we exist.

  • Keep it up Brothers and Sisters.
    Vale is almost broke. They only made $1.4 BILLION dollars in their last quarter.
    Figures just released a few minutes ago.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idAFN1021295020100211?rpc=44
    Yep. Ya got dem by da short hares now fer shure.

  • Too bad a percentage is paid based on how many hours you work on a contract 'contractnorth'. You would think someone with a name like that would know how incentive bonus is paid. WHOOPS! I guess NOT!

  • the majority of the guys wearing the masks are probably the same guys we see spending all their time in the lunch room sucking the bonus out of the contract for the rest of the real miners.

  • It is funny to talk to some of these clowns on the line.One actually told us we should stay home and support them.Ya reality sucks if the shoe was on the other foot atleast I would be man enough to show my face.If you look at the world market it cost 50% more to bussiness with the steelworkers membership than any other membership.

  • That comment sean10 "Now I know the strikers IQ, so easily fooled by anyone....really has no brain" could easily be used to describe any of the posts I've ever seen you put onto these Northernlife.ca comment boards.

    the north

    If you go back and look at any of the past topics on 6500 over the past months, you will see that USW has been willing to negotiate, but it is VALE who is UNWILLING TO GO to the tables until USW MEETS THEIR DEMANDS! Get your facts straight, you're dealing with big boys now, its not toddler time.

  • My word, but you gotta pity the reasonable, rational people in USW, when you watch the MORON element in the news everyday. So very sad, that the reasonable, rational ones - all who probably would gladly go back to work with the paltry concessions in a second; are being kept out of work and on the brink of bankruptcy - all because of a few loudmouth union tools, and "leaders" who's only goal is to save face.

  • Just got back home safely from a convoy to the grocery store and also the in/out store. We made it safely without being assaulted by the union thugs. Lots of their trashy signs still litter the area putting pedestrians and homeless folks atmore» risk....butmore» what do the "brownshirts" care. Sad to see Sudbury become the core of the new neo-nazis. Terrorizing people who want to go to work....threatening, attacking and attempting to murder people who do not support the Fueher Fera. You know what happened to all those scumbags!!

  • Ya like whatever, Vale has tried to talk to usw and all the usw says it is our way or no way, well hate to break it you, but it is not yours or usw company it is Vale company and they will run it their way. Call the police and get them all arrested and tossed into jail, that will teach the strikers

  • Well they sure love considering all their options when it comes to paying more of their lawyers, and legal departments. But they sure don't want to consider ANY options in negotiating the boys to get back to WORK! Get a life Ball. You;ll always be the ugly face of an ugly company! What a life you must have with your family now, living in fear wherever you go... Nice thing to put your family through.

  • robert sabourin
    Blame the government? They had no authority to stop the buy out of Inco by CVRD
    but
    The Ontario Teachers Pension Fund can be correctly blamed for running to the exchange with their huge Inco holdings to be converted to CVRD cash. It was their decision largely that scuppered other (non CVRD) deals because only CVRD was offering cash only and no share exchange.
    If the teachers hadn't run to sell their shares, the deal wouldn't have gone through.

  • Hey stop with the back and for - Just remember to keep blaming our Government , for they have truly allowed for this mess to happen.
    Canadians must "Take it back"-with the government's backing of course.

  • Who is that masked man at the back?
    The one with the YELLOW scarf.
    Let me see. Waaay overweight. Has that “air of authority” like he’s running the show.
    John F?
    Tell me it ain’t so.

  • These morons are breaking the law, period. What the hell are the cops doing about this?

  • YAWWNN!!!! This is getting old. Fire the whole works of them and hire people here that want to work. I hope Vale starts having some of these idiots charged. 6500, people are sick and tired of the whining!!!!!

  • Yes informed, this is true.
    I didn't get a chance to see your comment on that, it wasn't there while I was typing up my post.
    I wouldn't have mention that and would/do have agreed with you on that point.

    My bad?
    meant to refer to rightofcentre

  • Actually PM, you have to give Vale Inco credit for not just calling in the cops or perhaps they did and the OPP are bringing in additional members.
    Certainly these goons are breaking the law in their disguises and masks and in contravention of the injunction although they no doubt feel that by moving their "line" up the road a bit they are exempt.

    It's going to get worse quickly I'm afraid.

  • Next step for Vale is a return to court. Another victory in an injunction hearing with the total removal of any vehicle stoppages and pickets from Inco property.
    With that will be Vale instructing its replacement workers to call police and have thugs arrested when they accost them on public roadways.
    It's over boys.
    This will be marked as the last, desperate ploy by a collapsed union. Out of options, deep in debt, and lost support, 6500 will be remembered by this failed strike.
    There must be thousands of once proud, respected unionists doing back-flips in their graves.

  • Raise Miner, that's a pretty ignorant thing to say.
    being a racist doesn't have anything to do with Vale or their union.

  • Just for the record...I wasn't trying to provoke anything. Someone else mentioned the word...I just elaborated.

    And if you read Sandman...you'll see that I already said the term was being used too loosely...

  • Vale has not used violence or threats to intimidate or coerce 6500....so no...they could not be considered anti-union terrorists. That was a bit of a stretch. They have done everything legally.

    Could these blogs be considered terroristic? Not as far as I can see. No one has issued the threat of violence or tried to intimidate anyone else...and besides...the term terrorism is used when an organized group is involved...these blogs are the product of individual thoughts...not part of grander organization....Just because you might not personally agree with what a few individuals have to say doesn't make them 'terroristic'. Hence the reason why I posted the definition of the word.

    And if you read my later posts...all I did was post the meaning of a term. I also stated that I think it's being used to loosely and doesn't apply in this situation at all....

    But it doesn't change my opinion that 6500 is doing something illegal and wrong...and acting like a bunch of thugs in this case....it reminds me of a child who wants to get their way...screams and yells...and stomps their feet...but ends up getting no where but in deeper trouble.

  • lol.. sorry meant "throwing"

  • so what your where just throughing that word out their to provoke what?

    I wasn't insulting you, I asked you a question.
    why would it be an insult if you just admitted to using the word "loosely" or possibly slightly out of context?

    lol

  • Now I'm having to read BS from not only Stevie but John P. also. When Xstrata can see their profits dive 41% and they can still make money somethings wrong. Hopefully, when all these people who are not supporting our own community workers and they are on strike don't expect any sympathy either from the steelworkers or especially our gov. leaders who are doing absolutely nothing but bowing to foreign intrests. As a worker try going as a trades person and working in Quebec.Won't happen.Yet, they can come and work in Ontario. So when some of you people who are bit..ing and go on strike, don't expect any sympathy when workers come in from Quebece and take over your work. Guess it does show Quebecers do have special status within Canada.

  • I could have worded that differently.
    Vale for one would then be terrorist, they are simply & perhaps slightly more Civil.
    could these blogs not be concidered "terroristic" there are a few on here who go well beyond reason, i'm sure you would agree, no?

    why be insulted? I was using the word "comprehension" as loosly as "terrorist"

  • Please remember not every Vale employee is a thug or neanderthal knuckle dragger.

    I know the membership is trying to get somewhere with Vale, but this kind of action does not sit well with the community. Why? Lack of education and reasoning behindmore» the actions and the idea that if you have to wear a scarf or mask, you really can't be alright with the action you are choosing.

    Get both sides back to negotiations, please. In a constructive way...

  • A great way for Vale to save more money is to pay the contractors less, they don't have a union so just screw them.

  • Raise Miner...that is an extremely offensive comment to make...you should be ashamed of yourself.

  • Sandman...no I don't have comprehension issues...but thanks for the insult! It makes you look wonderful when you insult people on NL.

    However, I'm curious now...who is using anti-union terrorism??? (and the word is ridiculous...)

  • Looks like Vale is losing control of their own plants and at great costs, when will they learn that brazilians are like garbage to us and they are not welcome anywhere in this country whether it be a business or a human being.

  • True....I think the term is being used too loosely...like I said I was just offering the definition of the term.....

    However, I don't think that the actions of 6500 today were in their best interests...and certainly doesn't make the union very popular...it makes them look like a bunch of thugs attempting to intimidate and coerce Vale...

  • informed... I understand what the dictionary definition of terrorist is, I get what it means.

    Do you have a comprehension issues???

    Is there a difference when it's anti-union terrorism or is that just rediculous?slinging that word around is an extreme over reaction.

    Vote NDP? forget it they have no answers for anything. that will only bring us further from any progress.

  • hardly, i think that term is being used way too loosely. you can't chalk everything up to terrorism, it puts you in a different category and the same rules that apply to a criminal don't apply to a terrorist. there's a very fine line here, and i think it's important people know how to use the proper distinction. there's gonna be some legal fallout here, but should these guys be tried as terrorists?, HARDLY.

  • Sorry...meant to refer to kissmyaxe...

  • I'm not watching CNN Sandman... Thank you! I thought it would be interesting to parallel the actions of 6500 today to the word 'terrorism'. Someone else brought it up...so I was just expanding on that thought....guess the parallel was just too close to the truth for you huh?

  • informed, there's no terrorism goin' on here, turn off the CNN for like... an hour. please.

  • KB what are you even talking about? Being a useless spellcheck troll does nothing to enhance YOUR "education" level. By today's definition the wording of the US constitution would be considered "incorrect", does that nullify its underlying focus?

  • Hey John,

    Do your self a favor and eject un orderly members before you get your union in even more hot water.

  • HUGE EPIC FAIL


    t'was driving through copper cliff today on balsam street and the goons had there vehicles illegally parked on the streets. It was so tight the city bus needed guidance to get through.

    Not to mention one member in a green older model dodge ram who seemed to think he owned the road and could point his finger at passing motorists for god only knows what reason.

  • Actually...look up the word sandman...

    Terrorism: The use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes...the unlawful or threatened use of force or violence by a person or organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons....

    hmmm....makes one think!!!

  • 6500 are fighting for their jobs and being railroaded by a company who has a clear agenda.
    Getting back to the table isn't one of them at all.
    And, it wasn't right from the start.

  • get serious sandman
    they're breaking the law and wearing a mask/disguise while doing it.
    Dumb thugs.
    You should have heard the cheers at the last meeting for those 3 criminals who attacked the guy on Southview.
    This blockade is the dying gasp of defeated Local.

  • some in disguise?
    a belaclava in -24c is not a reasonable article of clothing to wear?
    they are dressed to be out in the cold...

  • bunch of terrorists. I don't see anyone walking in down town sudbury wearing balaclavas sandman. grow up.

  • tick tock...tick tock...that's the sound of 6500's clock..

  • some in disguise?
    a belaclava in -24c is not a reasonable article of clothing to wear?
    they are dressed to be out in the cold...

  • I look forward to some legal action by Vale against these law-breakers !

  • Here's my thought, since 6500 has photos of "scabs" as they call them on their website set up as targets, photos should be collected of all those creating these illegal picketlines/blockades. Then they can be introduced to what is known as a blacklist. You want to act like an idiot and prevent honest people from doing real work, here you go boys, try and find a job when no one will let you in the door because at this point it's what you deserve.

  • There is grounds to start firing them.
    Make the videos, get the names, and start firing the local losers.

    Val'dor boys.....the door is open.
    Welcome to Ontario!

  • man..now you strikers are really in hot water.

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