Pathetic or powerful: Can politicians put an end to the Vale Inco strike?

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Feb 24, 2010- 4:40 PM

Province should ‘demand’ company’s return to bargaining table, professor says

By: Heidi Ulrichsen - Sudbury Northern Life Staff

In David Leadbeater’s opinion, if any government has the power to put an end to the more than seven-month-long labour dispute between Vale Inco and Steelworkers Local 6500, it’s the province.

“This is happening under provincial jurisdiction,” Leadbeater, an associate professor of economics at Laurentian University, said. “I think our provincial cabinet and our (provincial) members have to demand that Vale Inco come back to the bargaining table without preconditions.”

“I think that in the end, if the company refuses, the government has to start raising bigger questions about the possibilities of intervening more directly with laws.”

In the long-term, Leadbeater has more radical plans; he said he’d like to see government ownership or joint public-private ownership of natural resources, such as mines, so that the benefits of the resources go to citizens, not private corporations.

Leadbeater is the editor of a 2008 book of essays by community members called Mining Town Crisis: Globalization, Labour and Resistance in Sudbury, about how globalization has impacted the community.

So far, the province’s response to the Vale Inco strike has been “pathetic,” he said.

(Political leaders) basically agree with what the mining companies are doing. They think this is the way to have development.

David Leadbeater,
associate professor of economics, Laurentian University

The professor said he thinks major mining companies donate to the governing Liberals, which makes them hesitant to intervene.

“They basically agree with what the mining companies are doing. They think this is the way to have development. They think that communities and working people are a secondary consideration,” Leadbeater said.

“This has to be challenged. They have to take a position that’s more based on democratic needs of communities, of unions and the majority of the population. I don’t think it will happen, though, without a lot of protest.”

In regard to the federal government, Leadbeater said he doesn’t have much hope that they will do anything about the strike, because their view is “resources should be run and controlled by multinational corporations without much challenge.”

Leadbeater said Sudbury’s mayor and council could be doing more to make life difficult for Vale Inco, including opposing the attempt to bring replacement workers to the community and enforcing bylaws that would make production harder during the strike.

When Inco was taken over by Brazilian-owned Vale, and Falconbridge by Swiss-owned Xstrata in 2006, very little was said by the federal, provincial and municipal governments, ensuring the “continued domination” of the community by multinational corporations, Leadbeater said.

When a request was put in for an interview with Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty, his press secretary, Jane Almeida, sent a transcript of remarks the premier made Feb. 11 about the subject by e-mail instead.

“Anything that we could do that would bring the sides together and resolve this amicably, we stand at the ready to do,” the premier’s statement reads.

“It’s obviously a very difficult situation. It’s been shut down for some time now, it’s compromising the lives of all those people who are directly affected. It also has an impact on the broader Sudbury economy.

“But as we’ve said to both sides for some time now, if there is anything at all we might do to help resolve this, we’d be more than pleased to do so.”

Tom Zach, a spokesperson for provincial Minister of Labour Peter Fonseca, turned down Northern Life’s request for an interview with the minister. He said the strike is an issue between the employer and union, and Fonseca needs to maintain his neutrality.

Fonseca did speak about the the strike in response to a question posed by New Democrat Nickel Belt MPP France Gélinas in the legislature Feb. 16.

“Our mediation team at the Ministry of Labour is working 24/7 to get the parties to the table, to assist them in this bargaining process,” he said in the legislature.

“I do understand how frustrating and difficult it is. Minister (of Correctional Services and Community Safety, and Sudbury MPP Rick) Bartolucci has shared with me the stories of the hard-working miners, the work that they do and the impact they have on the community.”

Zach clarified Fonseca’s statements in the legislature, saying that when Fonseca said the mediation team was “working 24/7 to get the parties back to the table,” he meant the mediation team was available to assist the union and the company with bargaining at any time.

In a recent interview with Northern Life about the strike, Bartolucci reiterated statements made by McGuinty and Fonseca, saying he’s been trying to convince both Vale Inco and the Steelworkers to use the services of a provincial mediator.

Bartolucci said he has remained neutral throughout the strike because he feels it’s in the best interests of the community to have “open access to both the union and the company.

“Anyone who would suggest that the government has the power to force two entities in a private sector dispute back to the table is really, really being disingenuous,” he said.

Bartolucci said he’s also prevented from taking sides in a private sector labour dispute by the Members’ Integrity Act, which came into effect in the 1990s.

The integrity act governs the conduct of MPPs — and especially cabinet ministers — with regard to interfering and taking sides in labour disputes, he said.

When asked what he thinks of Vale Inco’s plans to use replacement workers to restart production during the strike, Bartolucci said he thinks the strike has gone on “seven months too long,” and he encourages both sides to re-start negotiations.

Bartolucci’s spokesperson, Laura Blondeau, later e-mailed Northern Life with a clarification about the subject, which stated that “Rick has never and will never support the use of replacement workers.”

Bartolucci was the Minister of Northern Development and Mines in 2006 during the takeovers of Sudbury’s major mining companies. At the time, he remained neutral about the takeover.

“We had no choice. This was a negotiation between the federal government and foreign ownership. We could not be biased in one way or another. That’s the reality, that’s the rule.”

When asked if foreign ownership of natural resources is good for communities, Bartolucci said “the reality is we are in a global economy, and this is the way business is done now.”

Gélinas, who has taken a pro-union stance, said she has tried many avenues to get Vale Inco and Local 6500 back to the bargaining table.

She said she has spoken to union representatives and company representatives on a regular basis, travelled to Brazil with the Steelworkers to speak to Brazilian government representatives about the strike, and sent numerous letters to the premier and to provincial ministers about the issues surrounding the strike.

Gélinas said she has been told the Brazilian government wants a good working relationship with Canada and is nervous that their country is portrayed badly in Canada because of Vale’s actions.

However, Vale is partly owned by the Brazilian government, Gélinas said. She said she hopes the Brazilian government can exert some influence over Vale’s actions in Canada.

“A clear message from Mr. Harper and Mr. McGuinty as simple as they are not happy with what’s going on in Sudbury would go a long, long way towards putting pressure on Vale.”

On Feb. 12, federal NDP leader Jack Layton, along with Sudbury MP Glenn Thibeault and Nickel Belt MP Claude Gravelle, sent a letter to Prime Minister Stephen Harper, urging him to direct Minister of Labour Lisa Raitt “to immediately engage in dialogue with Vale Inco and USW, with the aim of bringing both sides back to the negotiating table.”

Gravelle, a retired Steelworker who worked for Inco for 34 years, said the foreign ownership of Vale Inco has prolonged the strike.

“Before 2006, the company’s head office was in Toronto, and the Steelworkers could negotiate with people from the community,” Gravelle said. “What’s happening now is they’re negotiating through lawyers in Toronto who have absolutely no interest in settling this strike, because the longer it lasts, the more money they make. They’re not part of this community, and neither are the Brazilian shareholders or (Vale Inco CEO) Tito Martins.”

Gravelle said while he admits Raitt and Harper have no real power to get the Steelworkers and Vale Inco back to the negotiating table, “they have the power of suggestion. They have to show leadership.”

Northern Life also put in a call to federal Industry Minister Tony Clement to speak about what politicians could do to put an end to the Vale Inco strike, and about the takeovers of Sudbury’s major mining companies in 2006.

A spokesperson for Clement, Lynn Meahan, denied Northern Life’s request to speak to Clement about the strike, saying it is a provincial labour issue.

She said Clement may be able to speak to Northern Life about the mergers if his scheduled allowed. However, Clement had not yet phoned at press time.

Sudbury Mayor John Rodriguez spoke about the issues surrounding the strike at a Feb. 5 press conference held by Local 6500.

Rodriguez, who said he remains neutral in the dispute, said he wants to return the community to a state of harmony.
He said he considers both the Steelworkers and Vale Inco as part of the community, adding that Vale Inco was welcomed as a corporate citizen when it bought Inco in 2006.

Rodriguez said both Vale Inco and the Steelworkers should focus their efforts on getting back to the bargaining table instead of doing things to aggravate the other side.

“All of the energies that are being expended in the community right now, if we were to focus that on getting back to the table, and putting our energies into discussing, negotiating and resolving the dispute, it wouldn’t take long, would it?” he said.

“I am throwing down the gauntlet to both sides today. You’ve got to get back to the table.”

 

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38 Comments

  • True love, as you expound Sun, means telling the truth. Letting your loved one know what's going on. Even if it hurts. Not blindly standing alongside because you just should.
    When you witness a path of self destruction, there is nothing honorable in just standing there as an obedient, supportive spouse.
    That's just insane. Just like how many union members are standing quietly because of their solidarity vow. Conformity for the sake of it.

    Bottom line Nat, is that the suffering endured by the Stealworkers is self-inflicted. Wrapped in a thin veil of being Canadian labour martyrs. When a greedy union has the insulting position they somehow are champions, when its their own interests they are looking out for, it creates accurate critique from a majority of non-supporters. Savage put downs? Just as savage as beating up innocent joggers right? Pushing children to the company gates? Thugs dressed in ski-masks threatening those that chose to work and support their loved ones (wives)?
    The decision to commit moral and financial suicide is the union's right. You are correct. The same right shared by the community to comment on public forums.
    People will support an honorable struggle. The current labour dispute isn't of that caliber. We all know that.

  • Housewife, P.M.S. shows no sympathy for the belittling of yourself or any of the other housewives that stand, not behind but alongside their spouses because they believe they have made a conscious decision to right the wrong imposed upon them by the "greed market".(121% pay increase)
    Housewife, you and your spouse as well as many other couples supporting the strike, have taken vows that show their love for each other, for better or for worse, rich or poor, in sickness and in health, till death do them part.
    Yes, P.M.S. they are married to each other, not the company as your blogs indicate you are.
    Beating up on innocent joggers shouldn't happen and neither should "bully blogging" you big meanie. Why don't you stop relentlesly kicking at innocent people and savagely putting them down when you think they are encountering hardship. Why do you feel compelled to keep rubbing it in their faces.
    Do you not think this will hurt them. It's their decision and their right to do as they wish, not yours.
    To all the Housewives out there supporting this worthy cause,I wish you all the best.
    Native Sun

  • So Wife, your bethrothed hasn't lost a single paycheque in the last 7+ months?
    $40,000 - $50,000?
    Lost seniority?
    Mounting debts with accumulative mortgage payments putting you years behind. Not to mention the repo man knocking at the door.
    Suuuure. You're doin' just fine.

    Meanwhile you are no closer to getting back your jobs. Taken by replacement workers. Given up because of an ego driven, greedy strike. And most laughable, you call it a 'fight'. Just like beating up on innocent joggers, right?

    Get a grip. Quit deflecting from the facts. $200/week versus a full time job. They took 'obey' out of wedding vows 30 years ago. Time to start questioning your hubbies choice and his leaders as well.

  • Look,'PMS",your comment.....'the price you paid will never be recouped'.....blatantly demonstrates your limited knowledge of the mining industry.

    $3400,monthly pensions,30 years and out with full pensions,up to 6 weeks annual vacation,special vacation,drug plan,vision plan,health benefits,etc,etc.....great advancements in workplace safety,and on,and on,,,,,,

    Do you think all these benefits were given to workers out of the goodness of the heart of the former Inco??Of course not.They were acquired thru many battles over the years........including many lenghty strikes

    Obviously,YOU have never fought for anything in your life,so please,just mind your business,and let those of us who are ACTUALLY involved do the 'fighting'

  • Status quo?
    Sudbury losing $44 million in the last fiscal 1/4 with the Stealworkers on the job. Nickel then was floating between $5-$7 a pound.
    Vale is under the same, stalled economic conditions that were going on then. The only exception is nickel has sustained a plateau in the $7-$8 range. Still in the cash bleeding zone.

    Your hubby chose to walk away from his job. Losing, what is it up to today - $50k?
    All over an out-of-date bonus that the union has already seen tweaked elsewhere. A freeze on transfers for 36 months. A pension that won't affect current members. Won't affect new hires, because Gerard said Vale planned to cut the workforce by 1/3 in the next 5 years!
    SO, what are you striking for? That $20,000 pension bonus? Extra stat holiday? Doubled widow payout?
    Those are the facts. All deflected now and replaced by propaganda and egos. Conveniently, insultingly tied in the Canadian flag.
    Sudburians know a shell game when they see one. And every day more union members do as well. Too bad you got caught up in the BS. The price you've paid will never be recouped.

  • Look.'P.M',if you want 'facts',well let me give YOU some.

    You commented on the Steelworkers 'greed and arrogance'.Well,let me remind you,they asked for NOTHING in a new contract...........only that the status quo remain.While you and Vale consider this 'greed' ,let me remind you Xstrata workers received INCREASE in wages AND pension..........the same things Vale said THEY could not afford.

    The community is NOT against the Steelworkers.While several people on this site belittle the union ,please dont insult my intelligence.We ALL know that several people,INCLUDING you,have many different monikers,giving the impression of LOTS of people against the strikers.Right.....Phil Morris,Man about Town,Drifter........and whatever other names you use?

    And finally.people like YOU........who have written HUNDREDS of anti union letters........obviously have an agenda against the union..........or why would you put so much effort into your endless Steelworkers bashing.

  • When the same whiners can't face the issues, they turn to insults. Wifey not only daily consumes the union Kool-Aid, supplied by her spouse, she appears to bathe in it.

    Funny how anybody that dares question or is a self thinker, against 6500's greed and arrogance, they are the target of desperate insults. Never mind the facts of the strike. Ones constantly shot down by the community. The same population that has never supported the Stealworkers from day one.
    Replacement workers are working class. They haven't once been the target of snide remarks from me or the majority of posters. Humm, methinks the 'lady' doth protest too much.

  • P.M.S. After reading your blogs, It seems there is more smoke coming out of your a$$ than what you've reported coming out of the stack. You're all smoke and mirrors.
    Your feeble attempts to coerce the readers into believing that your garble is factual has about as much substance as a fart in a windstorm.
    In reference to The greedy union!
    P.M.S. Tell me, What greedy company hired Greedy Retired Porkers to operate during the strike? Is it not true that some of those greedy people are receiving as many as two pensions. Aren't those greedy people hired STEALING the future from future generations in this community. Shylock looked like a saint compared to the greed these people exhibit. They have no concern for anyone elses well being other than their own. In the last couple of years of operation, nearly half of the workforce was comprised of young men and women. Their hopes of securing a decent living that would enable them to become financially stable and a productive part of our community, are having their hopes and dreams dashed by the greed of a number of Pensioned off retirees who already realized that dream. Now, they are Stealing the future of our young. Shameful! One can only hope that these greed mongers realize their mistakes and allow the younger generation of our community, a piece of the pie. Another solution might be for the company to refrain from using this hiring practice.
    If there ever was a time for these self centered people to stop and think for a moment just what effect their actions are having on these young citizens, then now would be the time.
    Are you helping the community by helping yourselves!
    P.M.S. When was it that the barrage of replacement workers from this community were crashing down the front gate at the smelter? I must have missed that one. Aren't many replacement workers hired from out of town because the company couldn't find any in town. Alas! There are many conscious community minded citizens who ar

  • Responsible mine management was a standard with INCO;it's high graded mining and pre mature mine closures. A mine management legislation is required yesterday.

  • The provincal government entervention won't be required. City council filed a motion. This will be over by morning. Oh I just heard that the labour board hasn't received the motion. Surprise, surprise. File a motion to repair the roads. Do what your paid to do. All of you should be out fixing pot holes.

  • Oops. I meant Jack Layton. Sorry about that.

  • How ironic that 'sean10'would belittle the miners for their lack of education.

    I can remember the 'educated' sean10 making all kinds of insulting and taunting remarks to the strikers on this site.

    I didnt know that 'educated' people behaved this way.Hmm...........

  • Oops. I meant Jack Layton. Sorry about that.

  • Oops. I meant Jack Layton. Sorry about that.

  • “This is happening under provincial jurisdiction,”
    Finally what I have mentioned several times has come to light. Mining (with the exception of uranium) comes under PROVINCIAL jurisdiction.
    Would someone mind passing that message on to Jack Lenin.

  • My son did 3 years college to get a job a Vale which we didn't want him to do as we knew vale and the government were in bed with each other. If you had any knowledge you would know they don't hire anyone without a degree even miners these days.The teachers settled because they got a good contract from their "union" and were not being bullied to sign with preconditions.Get your facts straight sean10.If you are going to compare.....make sure it's apples to apples.Maybe you should look into getting more than a grade school education.

  • If education plays such a strong role to you sean10, and all of the other Vale-bloggers. Wouldn't you listen to the teachings of a UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR like the one in this article! Not one of you Vale bloggers can post something without disproving your own 'facts' in your post. Better luck next time.

  • The ontario colleges teachers have decided not to strike, it shows that teachers know how to make their own judgement, not just listen to the recommendations from union leaders... they know how to think with their educational background....

    look at the USW 6500, almost all of them only have high school background, the level of making logical thinking is so different and they can be easily fooled and misled by the union....

    education does make a big difference.. no one can deny this!!!!

  • Alas! another feeble attempt by the self proclaimed "paid" swarm to gang up on any "TRUE NORTHERNER" who wishes to express their concerns about issues affecting their community, their province and their country. CANADA is a place many of us call home because we believe it's the best place in the world to live. Our forefathers worked hard to build a place they could call home. Houses, Communities and social programs were all built around creating a lifestyle that enabled these proud Canadians to have families and raise and educate their children and create a better Canadian lifestlye for the benefit of future generations.
    As a concerned citizen, I'll stand stand alongside any other proud Canadian citizen who feels obligated to protect their heritage. It's Our Home and Native Land and that's the way it must stay. We must remain guardians of this land and it's resources.
    Foreign Investment in any country should never be allowed by law, to undermine the lives of any citizen in those communities in which they operate.
    Here's Sudbury,Ontario, Canada, where some of it's community citizens are currently embroiled in a lengthy contract dispute with a foreign owned company. These True Northerners are wondering what justification allows said greedy company execs to pay themselves a Hefty 121% increase and yet turn their backs towards bargaining a fair deal. Only in Canada, Eh! 121% increase!

  • Kratos ...when I see comments like "Leadbeater said Sudbury’s mayor and council could be doing more to make life difficult for Vale Inco, including .... enforcing bylaws that would make production harder during the strike.", I get extremely angry.

    These are the views of an extreme socialist, an NDP'er, a good ol' union boy. And until free speech is revoked, I will express my thoughts whether you like them or not.

    Have a nice day!

  • Harry, one point, who cares what you think? You don't even hold a valid title like David does. So what gives you the right to say anything? You are contradicting yourself.

  • Just two points ... who cares what David Leadbeater thinks? Sure, let's get a professor of economics from Laurentian involved in this. It's not his fight.

    And lastly, "Rodriguez, who said he remains neutral in the dispute" ... come on John, do you think we are ALL that stupid?

  • Tony Clement speaks like a true politician...it's the other guy's responsibility.
    In this case, it is the responsibility of both sides to deal with this matter. Never mind calling on the government, you got yourselves into it, now get on with it.

  • Cracklin Rosy...6500's standard of living isn't compromised by any of the "concessions" that Vale is demanding. Oops...why yes, the standard of living would be compromised. They'd have to contribue to their own pension plan. They'd have to admit that the boss is "the boss," and not them. They'd have to commit to any job they bid on.
    As for foreign corporations taking over, get a grip. Many of our stores are foreign owned. Who makes the cars we drive? And this Union is headed by an American contingent, and Inco was also American owned.

  • Ms.river, the difference is quite clear.
    As a paying member of a union, you give up your rights to that union to represent you. You have no alternative.
    Unions build their strength on 'solidarity'. Just like in their anthem song.

    Without cohesiveness, the union has no power. Not only is a show of togetherness encouraged, it's mandated. You are part of an organization that demands compliance. When jobs are threatened by replacement workers, the union boys rally and call 'em scabs. Then they are supposed to overwhelm the company and public with shows of solidarity.

    None of that is happening here. The union is falling apart. Members are openly speaking of crossing the lines. Giving up and leaving. Strike duty is no longer proudly standing your ground. It's signing the log, sipping a Tim Horton's and leaving.
    Sorry bud, your comparison is off base. 6500 is falling apart. Lost public support, apathy, and inner dissension is leading to the implosion of what was once Canada's most respected local.
    People protesting the latest tax increase versus mandated union compliance? What a desperate theory. And the barren pickets are a strong signal that the thousands of union supporters are all behind 6500...........

  • Vale violated the labour relations act and has engaged in bad faith bargaining even before the strike began...they admitted they were not interested in bargaining and their management team had other priorities two weeks before July 13th...and for all those who are bashing the union i understand its ok...there there...its much easier to attack them then actually grow a spine and stand up to the company who intends to roll back working conditions, and make everyone grateful just to have a job...come on everyone it will be fun, workers lined up at the gate with signs like whores "willing to work for pennies massah" and "I lick your boots and car clean mister boss massah"...and Vale really cares about the community NOT...by virtue of their control of capital and property they want to make us dance with a gun to our heads...and those who oppose going back to the 30's are vilified by the faceless few here...I will be on the line, and I support the union in this historic struggle...truly a historic low being screwed with our own ore...other countries insist on 51% ownership of their national resources...why not ours? good article...

  • Phillip Morris,how many people go to council meetings or visit the legislature to voice dipleasure at higher taxes? The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind. Just like your reasoning and just like your choice for a screen name.

  • Ginga...ask yourself this...who should protect the citizens of Ontario from foreign companies who threaten to devaluate the province's standard of living among other things? If elected officials refuse to protect the public, who are they protecting? Finally...why isn't the government or Vale releasing the sale agreement? Do they have something to hide? Local 6500 decided to strike for preservation of the standard of living. Expecting the government to step in and protect the public nad improve services is what we all pay taxes for....Instead we have more taxes and less representation and services...sound about right?

  • The poor attendance at their rallies is plenty proof enough.
    The math is quite simple.............
    3,100 started the strike last year. And there are at least 10,000 active retirees.
    Figure that that group should be able to convince at least 1 or 2 family members and close friends to support them, right?
    That would make the turnout for support easily between 15,000-25,000 people.
    Where are they?

    Where are the hoards of Sudburians and labour groups pounding at the Inco gates? Why are the picket lines manned by 2 or 3 guys. Most sites have signs only, leaning against a shed. Heck, even 200+ hard core unionists have seen the light. Giving up, they took their pensions. (Bye bye bonus)

    Sudbury's population has made it quite clear. They don't support an out of touch union in a very bad economy. Hundreds of thousands of Canadians have suffered severe cuts. Many lost their jobs completely.
    6500 chooses not to work over a 25 year, out-of-date bonus. Frozen mobility for 36 months, and a pension plan like 95% of everybody else has. Jobs still there. Not to mention a 20,000 retirement bonus.

    Look around Krat, the smelter has started. The city has moved on. 2 words -> ITS OVER.

  • Let me see now...the Union walked off the job because they didn't like what the company wanted. Didn't want to see new hires have to contribute to their pensions (like the rest of us), didn't want a cap on the Bonus, didn't want transfers restricted, and in general, try to act like they're calling the shots. Since that time, they've done nothing but badmouth the company..way to go...you wanted a fight, and now you've got one....but wait...you want the government to step in...why? The government should only be involved if labour laws are being violated, which they are not.
    I can't believe this mentality! Ask yourselves this boys...does the Union pay your wages?

  • Why can't Phillip Morris generalize that the community doesn't support the strike? I must have missed the meeting where the union voted to speak for the community. They generalize in saying that they have community support!! The union does not speak for me - and no, I do not support the strike (yeah, call me jealous (of what, I'm not sure... making $200/week? NOT), a Vale lover or blogger - whatever ... sticks & stones).
    So USW 6500, please stop speaking on behalf of 200,000 people.

  • Phillip Morris, again? On this post too? I must have missed the meeting where Sudbury elected you as their spokesperson for blogs on the Northern Life. If you have comments, then you have absolutely every right to make them. But please, stop speaking on behalf of 200,000 people.

  • Pathetic or powerful? I go with Pathetic, this article couldnt be more biased.

    Maybe next time you could ask John Fera, Leo Gerrard and Jack Layton to help frame your argument and then present it as unbiased......

    NL, you are stooping to new lows each and every day. Please, report on the facts - otherwise, post it in the "EDITORIAL" section of your paper.

  • when,oh when will rick bartolucci step up and offerLEADERSHIP, in this time it's needed the

    most???otherwise, the little man must GO!!!!

  • So every time a greedy union doesn't get its way, time to demand the politicians step in and use force of law?

    Give us all a break!

    Bottom line here is that 6500 (and it's socialist mouthpieces) are desperately trying anything to get things their way. The public has no support for the Stealworkers.

    Would the union be willing to support the same argument if a company was put into near ruin because of a long strike? Have government step in and force a union to give up their punishing labour action to allow an employer avoid economic strife?
    No bloody way.

    With every choice to strike comes a gamble. If you WIN, the company suffers and quickly comes to the table. You get huge wins in wages and benefits. BUT, as in this case, you LOSE, it is the rank-and-file that lose. You chance lost wages, toys, mortgage and support from the community.

    Whats the only way out? Make it the government's problem you walked out. It's their fault..lol!

    More of the same desperation by a union going through its final death throws.

    Someone take Old Yeller behind the barn and finish it.

  • tony clement appeared on the news last evening and quite clearly stated that the problem lies with the Ontario Government to act. he stated that the federal gov't didn't wish to overstep their bounds. Is tony pointing the finger at ontario or just passing the buck for the feds?

  • All I can say is we all want to be back at work. In speaking with friends who work with Vale, they want to be back at work, productive and get out of the strike situation. I've heard everything from try to negotiate away one or two concessions, negotiate terms, etc. There has to be some movement somewhere.

  • If the Canadian and Ontario governments governed their resources like Australia, this mess wouldn't have happened. One state in Australia actually barred an international mining company from ever operating in that state forever because of the way it treated its workforce.

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