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Steelworkers react to Vale Inco’s latest proposal

Mediation talks broke down between Vale Inco and Steelworkers Local 6500 last weekend, and no new talks have been scheduled. File photo.

Mediation talks broke down between Vale Inco and Steelworkers Local 6500 last weekend, and no new talks have been scheduled. File photo.

Here he is .Our spineless liberal M.P. Mr.Rick Bartolucci for a photo opt were vote are easy and were they count...at the Hospital.You dont' see him backing up the thousands of workers that have been...

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Mar 11, 2010

By: Heidi Ulrichsen - Sudbury Northern Life Staff

Soaking up the sunshine while standing next to a smoke-darkened plastic wind shelter on the Copper Cliff South Mine picket line, Ben Amyotte listed the reasons why he thinks a contract proposal offered recently by Vale Inco is unacceptable.

He said the contract doesn’t address seniority rights, whether or not the strikers who have been fired because of their actions during the strike will be allowed to go back to work, or how workers will be brought back after the strike as production ramps up again.

However, he said he is happy that Vale Inco has made compromises on some issues, including the nickel bonus and wages.

Mediation talks broke down between Vale Inco and Steelworkers Local 6500 last weekend, and no new talks have been scheduled.

However, union members have a chance to vote on the five-year contract proposal offered by Vale Inco at two meetings today, March 11, which are taking place at 11 a.m. and 6 p.m. at the Caruso Club.

Union leaders will not speak about the details of the proposal before the meeting, although Vale Inco has posted it on its website, www.valeinconegotiations.com.

Amyotte said he will wait to hear what his union’s leaders have to say about the contract proposal before deciding how he will vote. He said he predicts 80 or 90 per cent of union members will vote to reject the contract proposal.

On the Copper Cliff smelter picket line, Michael Doyle and Dan Doussept took time out of supervising a long line of trucks crossing the picket line to speak to Northern Life about the contract proposal. Doyle said he will not comment on the contract proposal until he hears the opinion of his union’s leaders.

He said it “ticks him off” that Vale Inco has posted the contract proposal on its website. “It’s no one else’s business until the membership has their say on what’s going on first. It’s between us and the company. It just creates more hard feelings.”

Doyle said he had a lot of hope when the mediated talks were ongoing last week, but now he fears he could be on strike for another nine months to a year.

Doussept said he hasn’t had a chance to look at the contract proposal online, but from what his union’s leaders are saying “it’s not much different from the original proposal that was offered to us.” He said he does find it promising that Vale Inco has moved on some of its positions.

“Eight months ago, they gave us their final offer. It appears they’ve moved from their final offer, and given in a little more. Maybe in another eight months, we’ll have a fair deal. You never know.”

Like Doyle, Doussept said he’ll decide how he’s voting after listening to what his union leaders have to say.

Northern Life also caught up to several Steelworkers waiting in line to receive a $75 bonus strike pay cheque at the union’s hall on Brady Street March 9. Mike Prevost said he will “definitely” vote against Vale Inco’s contract proposal.

Although the proposal brings the nickel bonus trigger point down to $3.50 a pound from $5 a pound, he said it’s still a concession, because the current trigger point is $2.25 a pound. There is also a “return to production” bonus, which will be meted out over nine months, as long as certain production standards are met.

“We get $3,000 at the end of nine months, if they meet the quota that they set out, which they’ll never be able to do,” Prevost said. “The first six months we get back, they’ll be lucky to get back to half production.”

Umberto Pisani, who has worked at Vale Inco for nearly 36 years, said he actually has enough seniority to retire, but decided to stick out the strike “to show that I can keep on going.” He said he is most concerned about younger workers.

“For the young people, there is nothing there. In three, four, five years, there is nothing there. An 80 cent (per hour) raise in five years? That’s peanuts, especially since nickel is probably going to go up to $15 a pound. They’ll be making billions again, and eight months later, we’re nothing.”

Jon Hamilton said he thinks its “sad” that Vale Inco “felt the need” to post the contract proposal online before the union could present it to its members. “I think it was just a ploy to look good in front of the labour board and get themselves out of possibly having to pay us a large sum of money, just because they don’t want to bargain,” he said. “I really hope (the vote has) a high percentage of no.”
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23 Comments

  • Here he is .Our spineless liberal M.P. Mr.Rick Bartolucci for a photo opt were vote are easy and were they count...at the Hospital.You dont' see him backing up the thousands of workers that have been on strike for eight or the other thousands that have backed him over the years.
    He decides its better to sit on the fence to protect his daughter who is a Vale employee in the HR dept...with hubby editor at MCTV controlling that part of it..
    In fact she is suppose to be Steve Ball but is on a extended paid maternaty leave so she does not have to face the media and make Daddy look bad.
    This is how things are done in Brazil you buy the polaticians in this case Bart.
    How he can face us is beyond me no morals no gratitude no of anything.But I guess that what makes a spineless politician tic.

  • I talked to a "very high up" staff person the other day....
    He was trying to tell me the benefits of voting yes today....
    We had a good conversation and at the end of it all I told him that my resolve is stronger now than it was when we started this B.S. strike, and that I've been holding this line for 8 months now, and I have no problem holding it for another 8 months, or more....
    I voted No today.....
    It was a good day....

  • 6500miner, the leaders suffer just like everyone else.. Not sure what you are referring to, but they are no different then us.
    OF course we can all make up our minds, but what VEIL says and does are two different things.. I need to hear the "other side of the story" from our leaders.. ONCE I have both sides, I can make up my mind..

  • 6500miner, the leaders suffer just like everyone else.. Not sure what you are referring to, but they are no different then us.
    OF course we can all make up our minds, but what VEIL says and does are two different things.. I need to hear the "other side of the story" from our leaders.. ONCE I have both sides, I can make up my mind..

  • I voted No today.....
    Talked to a guy that voted yes....
    I smiled and said at least my NO vote cancels your yes vote...
    It was a good day today....

  • don't like how fraser was saying to be like our brothers across the street (xstrata). Does he not realise that they are closing the mill in timmins and laying off 700 employees. Not really want i want. Did anyone ever think that fewer members will be needed because they are not replacing those that retire???

  • John Fera and his goons will be counting the votes. Can you say scam?

  • I certainly hope that you vote to go back to work.If you vote to stay on strike and complain that you might lose your home and your car and other things that you have trouble paying for it,I certainly wish that it does not happen.

  • "He said the contract doesn’t address seniority rights, whether or not the strikers who have been fired because of their actions during the strike will be allowed to go back to work,"
    If it comes down to rejecting the offer to protect the jobs of the three goons who attacked the guy in broad daylight a couple months ago I can only hope the USWA won't spring with the $100.00 Christmas "bonus" next December.

  • continued - SHOULD NOT be aloud to reture to work for the safety of the 6500 members who want to work. They want to continue to get paid and be employee for bad behaviour.

    #2 under unresolved Issues - wages not reflective of a six-year deal or an eight-month strike. You should not be rewarded for a stike you chose. Can we handle another 8 months?

    I'm ticked at the lack of common sense with USW, it's not a horrible deal, HAITI is horrible. USW members make the right decision.

  • I just tried to get in to here what USW had to say, got refused, no spouse's aloud, union bi-law and I don't pay dues, but I have been paying for the last 8 months.

    Yellow Page handed out #5 No Reture-to-work protocol Elimination of all lawsuits and all discipline and terminations. This I feel is the real reason USW is telling you to vote "NO". "9" member some on the bargaining committee SHOULD NOT

  • Start in a GOOD STEP..... VOTE YES!!!!! It's better to have a later then lose everything!!!!!!! Right....
    think about the BIG PICTURE..better safe then sorry.
    GOOD LUCK ☺

  • @ 6500miner - thanks for giving a little faith that more people are using their heads and making decision for themselves and not just being followers. There is no us there is only #1 and that's who you need to take care of. Take care of your family not a beaten so called brotherhood.

  • CCNR- The contract is not a secret, it is publically available. The vote is YOURS and yours alone. The union leaders won't suffer the 8 more months of loss of work. Why do you need to hear what a leader says about something you can read up on yourself and educate yourself on. Don't be a puppet.

  • Vote Yes and your family will have money and not lose everything you already work for...

    Vote No and you get bullied to do so because that what john,Leo and wayne want so they can travel around the world with an free expense account for which you paid for...

    Vote Yes and you get your bonus cheques every three months for 5 years...and save enough money to fight again...

    VOTE NO and lose your homes,family and be replaced by people who cross the line and take your job...then Vale has no choice but to lay you off because some else is doing your job and dont need you...of course their is always welfare....

  • Personally the Union went about the strike the wrong way, what they should've started with was a good ol' fashion occupation of the smelter. Honestly, it worked for the union GM plant workers in 1936 who just took the plant hostage. The national guard eventually showed up, but it was to defend the Union from the Cops and GM thugs. They eventually got what they wanted and to boot they started a movement that eventually created THE MIDDLE CLASS in America.

  • But Phillip, didn't you say it's stupid to work in the mining industry? If we all vote no, wouldn't that be the wisest thing? Now who looks desparate? People ask when is the selling out of our country going to stop, but I ask when is the taking back of our country going to start? Today, people have the chance to answer one question: Do corporations exist for the betterment of society or does society exist for the betterment of corporations?

  • I for one am glad the company posted it online. Then i get a chance to read the proposal before the union give me their take on it. Make my words todeay you will hear we went out together we are going out together. Funny i remember being let out while others stayed and worked the shut down? I've been out since may 30. I remember all the more senior guys taking the extra time to work and make money while i had to go look for work elsewhere. As for those that lost their jobs well it's that fewer people that the younger people have to worry about when it comes to layoffs. And as for the guy with 36yrs don't talk and say your worry about the future if you are so worried about the future take your 20,000 signing bonus and take your pension. This is retarded i hope everyone read the contract for themselves, before they listen to the propoganda. Ever notice how all the talks about the contract have shifted from pension & bonus to all of a sudden job security????Since when have you ever have no layoffs in a contract? Never from old inco only from the new vale inco when they purchased the company. 6500 is not invinsible. Read the contract for yourselves listen to the union tell you to stay out for the jobs of other who screwed you during the shutdown last year and stay on strike even longer in hopes of getting a few cents more after losing everything, sounds like the last long strike. Good luck with that. VOTE YES!!!

  • it still amazes me how stupid and ignorant some people are, and obviously interperet others comments completely backwards. PHILLIP MORRIS you are a d$ck He$d.

  • The union members won't form an opinion until they hear from their union leaders?
    Talk about a lemming mindset.
    Then there's this gem: "It “ticks him off” that Vale Inco has posted the contract proposal on its website. “It’s no one else’s business until the membership has their say on what’s going on first. It’s between us and the company. It just creates more hard feelings.”
    This brilliant bit of logic from a union that tries to hold public rallies and protests. A group that tries to bully store owners to put their placards in windows. Have press releases from book readings and children dragged to company gates. Contact the media and have front page stories about how a family in a $400,000 home can't pay their bills. United Way backpack giveaways. The list goes on. NOW it's private?
    The best showing of how stubborn and blind the union has become is this - "“Eight months ago, they gave us their final offer. It appears they’ve moved from their final offer, and given in a little more. Maybe in another eight months, we’ll have a fair deal. You never know.”
    There you have it. Greed and blind faith followed by gambling that after no work for 16 months, somehow an offer could come by that might be better. Forget having lost all those wages. Your debts ramped up. Mortgage (if you still have a house) so far behind it'll take a decade longer to just pay the missed interest. Don't bother acknowledging that replacement workers will fully be doing your jobs by then.
    Heck, even 6500 admits it'll take months for them to come to full production. There goes the propaganda that the replacement guys are having troubles.
    Vote "YES" today boys and girls. Tomorrow your jobs won't be there. THINK FOR YOURSELF!

  • 6500miner, how else can we form an opinion?
    We wait to be told what is in the new "offer", then we decide..
    If I understand your point correctly, you figure we should flip a coin? Vote with out knowing?
    Or better yet, we go by what the Company posted?
    Give it a rest..

  • "Doyle said he will not comment on the contract proposal until he hears the opinion of his union’s leaders.
    " - and there is the problem, unable to form an opinion of your own until you look to the union to tell you how to vote.

  • If I may voice an opinion here and expect Northern Life can accept it. I find that all of these strike articles are redundant. One day an article appears and the next day the exact same article worded differently appears. Is this an attempt to sell more papers? It is really rather monotonous.