Medicine lodge merges two worlds at hospital

Sudbury Regional Hospital unveiled its new Aboriginal Medicine Lodge on March 11. The lodge features aspects and space for traditional Aboriginal medicine, including a ventilated fire pit. Photo by Heidi Ulrichsen.

Sudbury Regional Hospital unveiled its new Aboriginal Medicine Lodge on March 11. The lodge features aspects and space for traditional Aboriginal medicine, including a ventilated fire pit. Photo by Heidi Ulrichsen.

Mar 15, 2010- 9:07 AM

By: Heidi Ulrichsen - Sudbury Northern Life Staff

Tucked into a corner near the main lobby of Sudbury Regional Hospital’s new one-site location is a circular room, with wooden poles standing at intervals, and strips of red, black, white and yellow painted near the ceiling.

In the centre of the room are a large, industrial vent and a fire pit. Office chairs are placed in a circle around the pit.

The hospital’s Aboriginal Medicine Lodge was unveiled during a press conference at the hospital March 11.

It is a place where aboriginal people can receive traditional treatment from aboriginal healers, participate in ceremonies or just quietly contemplate life.

Deborah Fildes, aboriginal representative on the hospital’s board of directors, said aboriginal peoples’ voices were “heard with great clarity” in the planning of the new one-site hospital.

She said the lodge is designed to be respectful of the traditions and spiritual requirements of the aboriginal patients population.

Deborah Robertson, cultural facilitator with the Wabnode Institute at Cambrian College, spoke at the press conference about the significance of the healing lodge’s design.

“This circle, sometimes called the great hoop of life, has no beginning and no end,” she said.

“It is continuous and inclusive of all that is above, all that is below, all that is within us, and all that is outside of us. No one is in front, no one is behind. All are standing together, standing as one.

“The four colours represent all that is to the east, south, west and north. The yellow, red, black and red also represent all the people on Mother Earth — every age, class, ethnic group, language, spiritual belief system and gender.”

In the centre of the circle is the “sacred fire, the creative force of life,” she said. In “times of heaviness,” people can speak to the fire, and give an offering of tobacco.

Sage, cedar or sweet grass are considered by aboriginal people to be sacred medicines. The materials are lit on fire during smudging ceremonies to purify the mind, body and spirit, Robertson said.

... patients have the right to receive culturally sensitive care.

Dr. Denis Roy,
CEO, Sudbury Regional Hospital

Sudbury Regional Hospital CEO Dr. Denis Roy said during the press conference that no other hospital in Ontario features a room of this kind.

“Posted throughout the institution and on our website, you will find patient rights and responsibilities,” he said.

“The first two rights are as follows: patients have a right to be treated in a kind and respectful way, and patients have the right to receive culturally sensitive care.

“Today, along with the aboriginal community with whom we share this land and this institution, we are pleased to demonstrate respect for your traditions and your culture with the opening of the medicine lodge.”

Dr. Tim Zmijowskyj, a family physician who works at the Shkagamik-Kwe Health Centre (a primary care facility in Sudbury which treats aboriginal patients) and is also the vice-president of the hospital’s medical staff, said medical professionals could learn a lot from the aboriginal approach to health care.
Leland Bell (left) presented Shkagamik-Kwe Health Centre executive director Angela Recollet (centre) and Sudbury Regional Hospital CEO Dr. Denis Roy right) with a painting he created for the hospital’s Aboriginal Medicine Lodge March 11.

Leland Bell (left) presented Shkagamik-Kwe Health Centre executive director Angela Recollet (centre) and Sudbury Regional Hospital CEO Dr. Denis Roy right) with a painting he created for the hospital’s Aboriginal Medicine Lodge March 11.

“Typically, as physicians, we have been trained to focus on the problem at hand, whereas traditional medicine — the medicine man — would focus on the individual as a whole. I think it’s so important for us to remember what it means to be more than just the sum of our components.”

The hospital commissioned Wikwemikong artist Leland Bell to create a painting to be hung in the healing lodge. The hospital, in turn, presented Bell with a ceremonial blanket, a traditional gift.

The brightly-coloured painting, entitled Comfort Place, shows four people comforting another person. “When you’re going through the process of healing, you need that support,” he said.
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44 Comments

  • It's sad to see on this site in reference to the comment section, "two worlds" (differentiated perspectives) colliding from something that is so good to all humankind (of all colours); that is being brought into the mainstream society of Sudbury. Perhaps, this is what “two-sides” to everything is about, as it creates and maintains the balance in life! What good is it, to the mind, body, emotion(s) and spirit of an individual, if not being open and accepting to something (good) that enhances someone’s well-being that initially could benefit your very own family/relative?? Having the recognition of the rights for the "red" people is just long overdue and should be respected as this is traditional territory of the Anishinabe.

  • Looks like a yellow flashlight or a group changing a lightbulb.

  • Share the Wealth ~ That's it, I am just going to have to trek down to the hospital and see it... the picture included in the article is just too small.
    I agree completely that art is open to the interpretation of the viewer, but that is the beauty of art I think. All encompassing and such.
    Very interesting stuff indeed. :)

  • Proud Mary, the arm that you see, I see as a baby with the head being a small circle at the end of the arm, which I suppose you see as a hand. I see the circle as a halo. However, that being said, acknowledge that after even a closer view I can also see that there is a fine line stemming from the head\hand across the halo, which may also be recognised as a drum with a hand holding a baton albeit a very small and fine resemblance.

    Art and imagery can be very complicated as most is interpreted by the beholder, and not necessarily prescripted by the artist intentionally. Many of my friends are artists and have fine art degrees and have told me that messages imbedded in art are often nonsripted intentionally to give the beholder creative license to explore their own interpretations and stimulus from visual imagery.

    Of course artist may have their own overt message or interpretation in mind when creating a piece, however they usually leave the ultimate intrepretation to the viewer.

    I have seen many paintings where either myself or others have interpreted seemingly innocent visuals depicted by the artist as rather disturbing or scary, when it was not necessarily what the artist had in mind.

    The human brain is indeed a complicated organ, and I guess that is why psychiatry like artistic expression is so facinating. That is what makes us unique individuals I suppose.

    Very interesting stuff.

  • Again Mary, with hospital space at a premium. Bed shortages and being over budget, this political correct luxury IS a waste of space.
    Find logic insulting or somehow racist? - That comes from your own pre-concieved guilt or stereotyping.

  • STW ~ First Nations woman in first year of Laurentian's School of Social work (not NHS) with a prior degree in Literature.
    Look closely at the picture and you will see no baby. What you are thinking is a baby is an orange arm. Bell's paintings are rather consistent in creating children/babies as little adults and I do not see a smaller head in there. Granted I will admit you had me doubting myself and thinking it was a baby, but if you look closely, it is not. I will however be making a trek off to the hospital in the near future simply to see it for myself to confirm/disprove that there is no baby.
    Not that I claim to be an art expert or anything like that, but I have been a fan of Bell's work for some time and looking at that, the circles you see are common in his paintings, they often represent spirits (the ones with the designs in them) and healing (the one you think to be a halo). While there is no way I know all of Bell's work, I can tell you that the ones I do know of do not reflect common Christian imagery; his focuses more on community and healing and native tradition.

    I didnt mean to say that you wanted to see it as a Catholic image, pardon my inarticulateness when I wrote that. What I did mean that maybe what you have been indoctrinated with in your life is what is causing you to see or look for that...

  • continued>>>

    I see a baby in the center, with a halo. It is an image I have seen all too often in religious propaganda and brainwashing when I grew up in the Catholic church. I do not subsribe to any such religous affiliation as an adult, and can assure you that I do not see this as a nativity scene because this is what I want to see, rather I would prefer to see it differently if I could, but it is an all too familiar scene that has unfortunately, been etched in my mind throughout my 52 years on this planet. I believe the artist may have also had this same image implanted in his or her brain when doing the painting, even if it was not intentional, subliminal scripts which we have been indocrinated with tend to air their ugly heads in all of our constructs.

  • Proud Mary, are you a social worker working in and/or a Native Social Work position or program? I have been educated, employed and volunteer in the community from a Social Work\Sociology and Perspective and a Feminists\Humanist Philosophy myself.

    "They certainly didn't start it on their own, and I am sure it was not a willing lesson as they were beaten into submission in the residential schools. So to say something as insensitive as the healing being a sentimental retaining ismore» beneath you."

    First, You are correct that Catholisism was imposed through systemic abuse on Native peoples in this country. I did not mean to give the impression in my former post that I believed that sentimentalism was the only basis for Native People holding onto to either Catholisism or Traditional Native Spirituality and Medicine.

    I also didn't mean that Native people have sentimental attatchment to Catholisism. More so to Traditional Medicine and Native Healing elements passed on from generation to generation, as are other things like most cultures other traditions of religious practice.

    What I meant was that many of us regardless of background religious or otherwise, we take from our past experience and family or cultural traditions and make our own future path. Hopefully most of us have survived the hurts of our past, and can move forward with the assistance and support of our community, consellors and such to help facilitate our doing away with self loathing which often results in negative self fulfilling prophecy.

    I do appreciate and respect much of what you are saying with regards to systematic exploitation and abuse, forced assimilation and colonialism which ultimately has resulted in many of the far reaching social, economical, and community problems faced by our First Nations people. This is not something that I dispute.

    In the picture, I do see a baby with a halo, in the midst of the people lying on the lap of the women in the cente

  • So what... Share the Wealth is not criticized for his verbosity?

    And on the two lines you wrote... then say it that way. Don't refer to it as a waste of space or attack Little NHL. It's one thing to say that things should remain neutral but to refer to it as a waste of space does come off as racist.

    And I do not believe I insulted anyone in my postings (re: mandatory insults) I stated elements of history and current socio-economic status. If the truth hurt then maybe you ought to look in the mirror and work outward. Get with this century :)

  • Gee mary and skndsry, look at this:
    I think that the hospital should be neutral and treat everyone fairly. Space is at a premium and no areas should be designated as racially segregated areas.

    2 lines.

    Yet you guys have to dedicate pages of socialist defence to try and defend reverse descrimination. Nattering on and on, twisting and deflecting. Trying to justify segregation on the altar of PC and feigned sensitivity.
    Then in the coupe de grace, toss in the mandatory insult to try and put down logic and somehow make yourself feel better.
    Keep digin'.

  • continued...

    They certainly didn't start it on their own, and I am sure it was not a willing lesson as they were beaten into submission in the residential schools. So to say something as insensitive as the healing being a sentimental retaining is beneath you. Your posts indicate to me that you have knowledge of the transition from traditionalism to Catholicism with respect to the First Nations, rather than just the Canadian-Heritage toting lessons of elementary and secondary school systems. They are practicing Catholics because it is what was beat into their ancestors post colonialism and that is something that still carries in current generations.
    Other than that... I do enjoy your posts, they give me something to think about outside the realm of Social Work and taxes. So thank you.

  • Skndstry ~ Much appreciated. :) And thanks for writing what you did in reply to PM, you said what I wanted to.

    PM ~ Did you ever notice that in arguments involving Natives that everyone suddenly had Native blood in them or have friends who are Native. Association does not give reason to assume cultural ignorance. As for the natives that have gone to school and the ones you have worked alongside, no doubt about it. I am one of them too... proud First Nations woman who balances a full time term job with pursuing another degree full time as well as raising my children (with the assistance of my husband of course). But the issue in this respect is not the collective ability, but the individual ability. For some families the residential school system still sends waves of shocks through their lives; in fact I have peers who are in their 20's that are residential school survivors. There are people who are the children of residential school survivors who were abused because that is the pattern their parents learned from the school.
    Physically there may not barriers holding people on the reserve, but the mentality is there. The laws that held the natives prisoner on the land dictated by government have not been dead that long. Even in the eras of change, during the sixties, assimilation was still very much a goal with the White Paper of 1969, which is a slap in the face of every aboriginal because it wanted conformity, disregarding respect for a distinct race.
    You regard the oppression as something of the past, yet your words perpetuate it.

    Share the Wealth ~ Have you considered maybe the painting looks like a nativity scene because that's how you want to see it? To me it looks like people gathering. There is no baby in there... not that I see.
    With respect to the comment on Natives being practicing Catholics... okay yes, they are. But where did that come from? It was brought over and imposed on the First Nations people. They certainly didn't start i

  • continued...

    provide culturally specific native counselling services, traditional healing facilities, community based healing circles, sweat lodges etc. The public hosital is for scientific modern medical practice that is not cultural or philisophically faith based.

    While all cultures and faiths need to be honored and respected, they cannot all be specifically accommodated within the hospital setting.

    For instance in strict MuslimàIslam practice; women are generally forbidden to be treated by male doctors, or be in mixed company of males and females, do not remove their clothing in front of males, could not share hospital rooms where males would visit their female patients.... we cannot and would not think of such accommodations as only having women medical personal working on women in an emergency situation would we.

    Penticostal and others practice faith healing and prayer chanting, speaking in tongues and such.....can this be accommodated in a shared hospital space where others would have to be exposed to perhaps unwelcomed disturbances...

    Pagans, Wiccans, Voodhists practice rituals and use alternative medicine like potions, spells, or other Naturopathic Healers use massage, accupuncture, or Reikki, herbs, meditation etc...... can this be accommodated in a medical facility... unlikely!!

  • This painting has a remarkable resemblance to a nativity stable scene. It looks like Mary and Joseph and a hallowed baby Jesus surrounded by three visiting wisemen with the Star of Bethleham in the sky above. (This is not a christian or religious theme!)

    As we know many First Nations people are practicing Catholics for all intent and purpose, yet they retain their Native Spiritual Healing and psycho social cultural norms for traditional, sentimental, heritage reasons.

    Not unlike most Christians or even other religions today, people do not follow strict adherance to a particular creed or dogma. Most blend different aspects of various religious, cultural, symbolism and make their own path.

    The article cites the Hospital CEO pointing out the mandate and mission OF PATIENT RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILTIES... statement of the Medical Facility, and that it states that :

    “Posted throughout the institution and on our website, you will find patient rights and responsibilities,” he said.

    “The first two rights are as follows: patients have a right to be treated in a kind and respectful way, and patients have the right to receive culturally sensitive care.

    If this is a true and reasonably facilitated and accommodated practice, then there would have to be several individual rooms like this Native Medicine Lodge in place to meet the rights and needs of other cultures, religiouns and non religious practices. A Bhudist meditation site, a christian chapel or several denominational chapels since not all christian faiths practice their faith the same way and some are offended by the other faiths use of candles, music, statues, holy water and incense, and what of Hindu, Seik, Muslim, Mormon, and other religions that have very different ways of praying and healing and laying of hands etc. We cannot possibly accommodate these, therefore none should be present in the hospital.

    The Native Health center , Native friendship center, and other Native healing lodges

  • BTW proud mary - you misunderstood. You weren't remotely offensive. Your comments were excellent. The syntax of that sentence was off upon second reading.

    My comment was in praise of share the wealth, who unlike others, is able to present an argument against the lodge without resorting to passive aggressive racism or outright offensiveness.

  • The first argument of any racist or bigot is to scream reverse racism or bigotry.

    Usually followed by some disingenuous comment, "What? Me? I never said anything overtly racist!"

    Followed by willful ignorance and an abject refusal to dig deeper so they don't HAVE to understand.

    Anyone with the slightest intuition or ability to read subtext can easily read between the lines.

    The desire to minimize the plight of one people who have been historically and demonstrably subjugated and victimized by another is in and of itself racist. Trying to ignore it, or issuing edicts to "get over it", don't display anything more but the most shallow understanding of the issue.

    That is the harsh truth. And it is YOU who needs to bring your attitude into this century.

    Residential schools, institutionalized racism (witholding the right to vote, etc., didn't all happen 100 years ago. It wasn't the distant past. It happened in recent memory.

    Might be harder for you to slough off the grievances and declare yourself forgiven if your weren't less than one generation away from a residential school or not having had the right to vote.

    Every day is white folks day in North America PMAT. We didn't get to where we are on a level playing field, and despite your sniveling about it, there is no indication we are about to lose power or control any time soon. We have plenty to be proud of - and plenty to be ashamed of. It demeans the good to downplay the bad.

    It isn't about self-immolation or white liberal guilt - THAT is the truth, not another one of your self-serving tirades.

    It is you who needs to wake up and realize that.

  • See the knee-jerk over reaction?
    Not once did I post here a single deroatory, slanderous, or insulting point about a specific race.
    White or Native.
    Yet when you interchange the 2 with the exact same discussion, somehow being proud of being Western Euopean Anglophone is shameful?
    Then the true reverse descrimination comes out when Krat decides to just toss insults instead of engaging in a logical debate.
    Racist? That's a stretch.

    Look mary, there are no guard towers or barbed wire surronding reserves. I have native blood in my family. Distant, but it's there. I have gone to post secondary school and worked along side indian people. All proud and respected as part of society. Not chosing to use the distant past as a crutch. The same crutch your bleeding hearts keep handing them.

    Want to make a difference? Start in the mirror. Then work outward. Bucking the truth by pulling the race card and insulting others just because the harsh truth is hard for you to swallow is exactly the problem.
    Get with this century.

  • It's ironic how racism rears its ugly head here in a city that is working hard towards social tolerance and multiculturalism. * Bigots * generally intermingle culture, religion and lifestyles to suit their own opinions and prejudicial rant. I applaud everyone efforts on this blog educate and enlighten the afflicted ones.

  • It's ironic how racism rears its ugly head here in a city that is working hard towards social tolerance and multiculturalism. * Bigots * generally intermingle culture, religion and lifestyles to suit their own opinions and prejudicial rant. I applaud everyone efforts on this blog educate and enlighten the afflicted ones.

  • PM ~ Bitter much?

    It is not the same thing. Not at all. The exclusion with respect to the LNHL has to do with socio-economic depression and the need to encourage on reserve children to participate in extracurricular activities.
    There is an inherent mentality in First Nations people to stay on the reserve since the time of Treaties because that was what was forced on them. Literally. If a Native wanted to live off reserve, their status was taken away from them. If they even wanted to attend school that wasn't residential school, they had to give up their status. The right to vote wasn't even granted until the late 60's. So yes, there is an exclusive hockey league for them, but it is in an effort to undo oppression through encouragement.

    And really, if it bothers you THAT much, fight it. Get in contact with the ones who run it. Maybe the reason there are no non native kids playing in it is because no one has ever asked.

    As for your "celebration of all the contributions and rich history of the Caucasian race in the world"... given the nature of the current forum for which we are writing about, should we really do that? Because then it leads to the whole issue of assimilation, assumptions of land ownership during colonialism, projection of foreign laws on a race with out full disclosure of intent, racism, discrimination, residential schools, small pox blankets... the list goes on.
    The reason there is no celebration of Caucasian history in a paralleled scale is because it is celebrated everyday with elementary and secondary school history classes, with the singing of the national anthem, with the dominant languages in this country being French and English, with the government being run with non-native traditions of legislation. It is celebrated everyday, because the average Caucasian does not face the same oppression in life based primarily on genetics.

  • Wow I feel bad for your child Phillip Morris, growing up in a racist environment like that. Too bad nobody could put a stop to him following in the foot-steps of a LOSER. Going to grow up getting his A$% kicked through school like his father did. Pathetic, you disgust me.

  • Good suggestion Sunny.
    I’ll do that as soon as they register our kid’s Caucasian team in their exclusionary tournament.
    Funny how a publicly owned and funded arena can hold a tournament that only is open to one specific race.
    If you want to grow respect and tolerance, you start with allowing everyone to enter your little games. Expose everyone to your ‘culture’ instead of excluding them. Imagine the outcry if the city allowed a LWHL (Little White Hockey League) exhibition? A celebration of all the contributions and rich history of the Caucasian race in the world?

    That isn’t even racist. But the sound of it makes the bleeding heart socialists cringe. And it’s the EXACT same rules and festive flavour the LNHL is celebrating.
    It’s the EXACT same pandering to one group over the entire population that’s the parallel to the hospital putting aside an exclusionary space.

  • Skndstry ~ thank you for the compliment of cogency, but I wanted to ask, did I state something offensive? If I had, I apologize, it was not my intent. Sometimes my soapbox gets the best of me.

  • Aboriginal peoples:
    The descendants of the original inhabitants of North America. The Canadian Constitution recognizes three
    groups of Aboriginal people - Indians, Métis people and Inuit. These are three separate peoples with unique heritages, languages, cultural practices and spiritual beliefs. (Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development)
    P.M.S., Kanata and Onitariio, names bestowed upon this great country and province by the original peoples
    native to this land. Why, time and time again, do you choose to belittle them so with your comments?
    The Little NHL is in town and it has brought thousands
    of native children, their family and friends, all
    here to participate in the excitement of the tournament.
    Perhaps P.M.S. you could go down to the arenas and speak
    to the elders and chiefs and find out what it's been like to walk a mile in their moccasins.
    The theme for the tournament is Education,Sportsmanship,
    Citizenship and Respect. March Break P.M.S. I know you're
    not in school but here's an opportunity for you to learn from.

  • proudmary has offered the most cogent arguments here, although share has managed to state his case without being offensive.

    At the end of the day, there is a chapel in the hospital, and there is also an entire department, Spiritual and Religious Care, devoted to providing for the spiritual needs of people of faith.

    It is now being widely recognized that spirituality and consciousness play a very significant role in healing. Hospitals should not be "secular" institutions in the sense that they ignore peoples' spirituality, only in that they do not allow any religion to guide care or policy.

    They should use every possible avenue to heal. Kudos. That PMAT thinks it is wrong only shows they are on the right path.

    BTW - I don't really think PMAT is racist. He hates everybody and leads a very painful and pathetic existence because of it.

  • Kratos624==I already accused PM of being racist down further in the story,however I missed the one you pointed out in that other story. I guess I am not the only one thinking like this. Remember "First" Nation and what native really means.....

  • Share the Wealth ~ Okay yes, there are native social workers. But, the thing is, social work is a field is not an inherent practice with Native people. It is a field imposed on a culture that for the most part does not take into account its ethics system or its traditions. It is designed for the non-native population and only now has it begun an evolution with respect to Native Human Services... but that is another topic entirely.
    Anyways, besides that, if things like smudging were to take place in a hospital room would there not be complaints to that effect? Never mind the safety issues that it would bring about. The only other way really to avoid the complaints is to ensure only native patients are housed with other native patients... and I am thinking segregation might be a rather large and uncomfortable problem.

  • Phillip Morris, you must either have Alzheimer's, or very bad short term memory loss, on-top of your HATRED towards our Native Community. Want proof readers? How about this little 'gem' posted by Mr Phillip Morris a short time ago on the "Veterans of Ravenswood, WV strike to speak to Local 6500" article.

    Phillip Morris: "Sun, SOME natives LEARNED to join the rest of the world in this century. Try to be current, and relevant..." 3/1/2010 6:46:43 AM
    http://www.northernlife.ca/displayArticle.aspx?id=33517

    Above is the link to view the article for yourselves, and scroll down to view his disturbing comments. I don't understand why a person like this is able to keep their N.L. account, posting racist comments on numerous articles. Wait a minute, this is his third account now? I'm starting to see a pattern here. I however, think this Aboriginal Medicine Lodge is a fantastic idea, and give credit to those practicing!

  • I do look at the whole picture proudmary, to focus on the pshchosocial healing which is important indeed, we have native social workers and elders already in place. The traditional practices of healing, counselling, advice and leadership take place in the native community circles and private homes, just as non native citizens seek these avenues from their respective elders, churches, community and not in public hospital space. You can do this in the private room of the patient but not in a shared room, and the hospital space provided for meditation etc. should be multi cultural and acknowledge diversity in religion, culture and tradition.

  • Share the Wealth ~ Very well put, indeed. Though, I of course do not fully agree with you.
    To focus on to the spiritual aspect of the Aboriginal Healing Lodge is to not look at the whole picture. Yes, spiritualism is a part of it, but it is not the only part. The holistic healing also incorporates a psychosocial healing. So where someone might normally seek the guidance of a Social Worker, they, with the help of this Lodge are given the opportunity to seek guidance from an Elder where they could take part in traditional practices in this setting. Hence the psychosocial aspect of healing.
    On the semantics of the word medical... there are medical aspects to First Nations healing; for instance, cedar tea for a sore throat, birch bark for pain, etc. So yes, it can be construed as faith based, but there are aspects that don't just involve smudging; there are aspects that are homeopathic.

  • Well put Share the Wealth.

  • Just a note, I love the native spiritual traditions and culture very much, and many of my family and extended family are First Nations or Metis band members. I have noting against native people or any other culture per se. In a Native healing circle, sweatlodge, sacred grounds in a Native Health center or designations, this is a wonderful culturally acceptable practice, but not in a public hospital. I feel the same way about prayer rooms, christian statues and pictures or crucifixes displayed in public facilities, or any other religious symbols... they dont belong in publically funded space. Not all citizens are christians or any other religious or spiritual practicing groups. I am a humanists, others Hindu, Seiks, Muslum, Jews, Adventists, Penticostals, Mormon, Jehovahs Witnesses and others are agnostic or athiest, some are Voodists, Pagans, Wiccans. We cannot accommodate all of the various traditions, practices, cultural aspects of these groups any more than the Aboriginal. By the way, Francophone Health Center and Doctors who only take French patients etc. these are private practices not public institutions for the most part.

  • The article states:

    "It is important to ensure we are meeting both the spiritual and medical needs of this community," Dr. Denis Roy, hospital CEO, said in a press release."

    "The Aboriginal community honours the lodge and the sacred medicines and teachings it brings to the Sudbury Regional Hospital.".

    "It is designed to be respectful of the traditions and spiritual requirements of the Aboriginal patient population."

    Sounds like the "spiritual" and "sacred" aspects of this culltural healing phenomena is pretty central to the whole Aboriginal Medicine Lodge. The fire pit, the smudging with sweet grass, the sacred medicine bags, the offerring of tobacco and the Four Colors etc. these are all based upon various native traditional spiritual and cultural beliefs or religious symbolism. To say that they are medical, is incorrect as medical is scientific, not based upon beliefs about healing powers of sage, calling to the spirits to intervene in healing, calling for energy from four distinct directions and referring to colors as having particular powers, and tobacco offerred to the earth etc. this is based on beleifs, norms, mores, traditions which hold a "sacred" or spiritual foundation. You cannot not argue that this is not faith based healing, whether it is also culutural, and traditional it is still premised on supernatural powers, therefore religious. This hospital should be secular but respectful of all cultures by not offerring more services or privaledges to one culture or religious dogma over another.

  • proudmary--Good comment, you hit the nail right on the head....

  • It's not just about spirituality. Its holistic healing. So to compare it to different theologies is incomplete. And then to ask where the francophone/anglophone only areas is inaccurate because it is not about language, it is about a holistic healing tradition that had been taken away through colonialism and the many attempts at assimilation.
    Despite federal aspects like First Nations Non-Insured Health Benefits, the gap that exists in aboriginal health care is large, and to me this lodge is a step int he right direction to incorporate aboriginal healing into mainstream healing to create an environment that is inclusive of a culture long ignored.

  • P. M. you're kidding right? Some people never change. Your other moniker was just as offensive - and yet you say you're clueless. < go figure?>

  • Racist? Just where did I post anything derogatory about any specific race?
    Read EXACTLY what was posted. Don't let your own preconceptions and over political correctness steer your mind.
    Simply put, the hospital is a full PUBLIC healthcare institution. Where equal care and space should be shared by everyone.
    By putting aside a special area for one demographic IS actually reverse descrimination.
    We are all to quick to pull the race card when it is convenient. And not relevant.
    Perhaps you should be looking into your own feelings of guilt and stereotyping for your far fetched conclusions?

  • The Northern Life should be ashamed to post these racist comments. Respectable media do not promote racial intolerance and hatred via their blogs. I guess the Northern Life does not want to be a respectable corporate citizen!

  • Philip Morris--I have been reading your posts on this site for months,I have always thought you had good and sensible arguments weather it was strike related or other topics but I never took you to be a racist.Disapointed. Goes to show that one can never judge someone on these blogs as their true color will eventually show through!!!!!!!!!!!

  • O.K. phillip morris, what kind of a racist comment is that?
    Because they are native people they have to accept our methods of health care?
    What about all the french only services available in this city. What about the doctors in chelmsford that only accept french patients. What about the health clinic on frood that is french only?
    Wake up and see whats going on around you.

  • I wonder how many beds they could have put in this waste of space?
    So where is the Anglophone only healing area? The french one. Politics and health should not be mixed.
    What a complete waste of taxpayers money and valuable space.

  • It is a beautiful hospital and all the people working there are very friendly and you don't have to wait to long when you have tests to be made.I was there this morning and I only waited half an hour before my test was made.The Aboriginal Medicine Lodge is very beautiful.If I have to go for an emergency,I certainly will go to the Laurentian Hospital because the nurses and doctors are the best that you can have to help you.

  • Hospitals are public funded buildings, and they should be secular to respect everyone and not only a selectled few. Religion and spiritual or cultural practices do not belong in the hospital system. This is a scientific medical facility. While individuals should have the right to have their religious clergy, priests, ministers, pastors, elders, shammons, faith healers or friendly visitors none should receive special privaledges and or accommodation. In past we had to put up with Catholic or other Christian dogma and symbolism throughout most of our hospitals since they were owned or run by the Sisters of Saint Joseph, now our new hospital is a Publically owned and operated facility and we are free from religious images imposed upon us; a step in the right direction. Many patients and visitors to the hospital are not Christians, or Native Spiritual, or may be non Christian faiths or even athiests. This diversity must be acknowledged. Why are we now going backwards in funding a separate room and equipment to accommodate Native Spiritual religious and cultural practices?

  • Very nice indeed. Perhaps you could take the people in emergency waiting a week for a bed on a tour to pass the time while we're meeting the spiritual and medical needs of the community?

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