Vote being held on contract proposal

Steelworkers Local 6500 members will soon have a chance to vote on a contract proposal from Vale Inco, even though their union is not recommending the deal. File photo.

Steelworkers Local 6500 members will soon have a chance to vote on a contract proposal from Vale Inco, even though their union is not recommending the deal. File photo.

Mar 08, 2010- 3:43 PM

Vale Inco posts contract details on company website

By: Heidi Ulrichsen - Sudbury Northern Life Staff

Steelworkers Local 6500 president John Fera will be allowing his members to vote on a revised contract proposal from Vale Inco, which he feels “really didn't do our membership justice,” at two meetings March 11.

The five-year contract proposal, which has been rejected by the union's bargaining committee, is the latest offer made by Vale Inco. The offer came after eight days of mediated talks between the two parties broke off March 7. No new talks have been scheduled.

As of March 13, Local 6500 members will have been on strike for eight months. Before the recent mediation, there had been no negotiations since the strike started.

Fera said he will tell his members about the contract proposal before they vote at the March 11 meetings, which are taking place at 11 a.m. and 6 p.m. at the Caruso Club.

He would not speak about the details of the proposal before the meeting, although Vale Inco has posted it on its website, www.valeinconegotiations.com.

Steelworkers Local 6200 members in Port Colborne, who bargain along with the Sudbury workers, will also be voting on the proposal March 12.

“There are some new items in the proposal," Fera said. "We believe in being up front with our membership. We always have. We want them to see what was in the package. Then they will decide what they want to do. I will be telling them that I'm not recommending this contract.”

He said Vale Inco has “wasted” an opportunity to end the strike. When it became apparent that there were still large issues to resolve, the union recommended that all outstanding issues be referred to a binding arbitration panel — a settlement technique in which a third party reviews the case and imposes a decision that is legally binding for both sides.

Vale Inco has rejected that idea, stating that it is not interested in having a third party make business decisions which will affect the future viability of the business.

“It's been a really tough eight months, and it's not going to get any better. There are issues here that are very, very important to our membership, going forward, and have to be settled,” Fera said.

Most members of the Facebook group Strikeforce 6500 are reacting negatively to the contract proposal, and say they will vote against it.

“Unreal! How much more insulting can it get?” one poster, named Curtis Hannon, said.

“Eight months lost, min. $40,000 in wages gone, min. $25,000 in savings gone, min. $15,000 backlog of payments etc., and they have the nerve to offer this crap! It would take me 10 yrs. + to get back to where I was before the strike on a contract like this. So insulted right now. Seriously.”

Another poster, named Martin Kotyluk, simply posted "vote no" numerous times in his comment.

Line Legault Robichaud said “after reading the contract on the Vale website I wonder if this is more bad faith bargaining. The whole world gets to see the contract proposal before the union has the chance to present it to the members. Read it carefully. It is just reworded differently than the last one. Concessions are still there. One day longer, one day stronger!”

Vale Inco spokesperson Steve Ball said he would not comment on whether or not the company was hopeful the Steelworkers would vote in favour of the contract proposal.

“The vote has nothing to do with us. We're not going to comment on that.”

Ball said company officials are “very disappointed that these talks haven't been able to hammer out a deal,” despite the fact that Vale Inco was “very flexible” in negotiations.

The company's contract proposal contains several changes from the proposal offered before the union went on strike last year.

First of all, the contract proposed last year was for three years, and this one is for five years. Ball would not give a reason for this change, saying it was a product of mediated talks, “the process details of which are not being discussed publicly.”

One of the major issues in the strike is the company's proposal to move new hires to a defined contribution pension plan, as opposed to a defined benefit pension plan.

The proposal retains the pension change for new hires, but includes improvements to the defined benefit pension plan for current employees.

As well, the nickel bonus will kick in when the nickel price reaches $3.50 a pound, as opposed to the previous proposal, which would have seen the nickel bonus kick in when the nickel price reached $5 a pound.

The new proposal also includes wage increases, whereas the previous proposal would have continued the same wages for the duration of the contract.

Existing wage rates would be continued for the first year of the contract. Rates would then go up 10 cents an hour the second year, 15 cents the third year, 25 cents the fourth year, and 30 cents the fifth year.

The proposal also includes a $3,000 “return to production bonus.”

Employees would be given $1,000 three months after ratification, $1,000 six months after ratification and $1,000 nine months after ratification, given that certain production targets are met, and the worker is still employed by Vale Inco during those time periods.

"Our goal, upon reaching a deal, is to return our operations to full production in an expedient manner, and we believe that this is a means to achieve that goal,” Ball told Northern Life.

“This is also consistent with what is being implemented across our company — to pay bonuses based on performance and measurable targets being met.”

Ball said a process for the striking employees to return to work was also part of the negotiations.

“After a strike of this length, there would have to be a negotiated process for returning people to work. If the strike was only a week, everybody might be able to come back on the same day and the same shift that they were working,” he said.

“For example, we wouldn't be able to fire up the nickel refinery on day one because of work that would have to be done to make sure it's ready. Then we've got to look at the feed from the smelter and the mines. We've got one furnace running. We'd have to get the second running.”

Laurentian University commerce professor Jean-Charles Cachon said he thinks union members will vote against Vale Inco's contract proposal and support the decision of their negotiating team.

“Definitely. I think they have no choice. There is no question. People will back off in the first weeks or months, but after a long strike like this, people will back their union,” he said.

Cachon said that, at this point, the strike is hurting the coffers of the federal and provincial governments because of lost taxes.

He said he is surprised that politicians have not put more pressure on both sides to end the strike.

Cachon said he thinks Vale may be thinking of selling its Canadian operations. He said they could be sold at a “bargain price” because of the strikes.

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72 Comments

  • P.M.S. Did anyone hear the huge "Backfire" coming out of
    the stack yesterday? Some people say it registered very
    loudly at 88.7% and could be heard across the globe.

  • Friday morning.
    Yes vote and Vale gets what they want. The workers can begin to try and pay back huge debts. Try and gain some lost respect. Fera, Fraser, and Gerard will have to resign with the lost confidence vote.
    No vote?
    It's over.

  • The union bloggers are as desperate as their loser union. Nothing left but personal attacks.
    Krapos... I'm watching you... lmao

  • sean10. There are a lot of two faced cards in their hand. Based on your comments, one can see that jokers are wild and you're surely not playing with a full deck either.
    Bobbleheads have been hired to try and run the plants and
    things are falling apart. Morale is very low with staff, so it's being propped up by bonus dollars.
    Sean, The only indication of something on the brink of being paralyzed, is between your ears.

  • No matter the vote results tomorrow, vale still holding all cards, vale actually has no expectation that these strikers will back to work and they have no problems getting replacement workers. Why wasting time with this greedy union ? Crush and teach the thugs a lesson that will forever paralyze 6500

  • Vote YES - throw your foolish pride out the window, and start supporting your families again.

  • You got 'em krat.
    Yes! A victory for the union!
    ...............and come Friday you'll either be back at work after striking for 8 months for the same deal last summer, OR you'll vote no and give Vale the mandate they need to go on without you for good.
    Party on.

  • haha, yes, try and defend what you wrote Nobody Special, like you have something better to do! But that was a pretty quick response to my post for somebody who does not spend all their time concerned about the strike! LOL Nobody Special, you're a joke. Especially since you WROTE "watching the good old boys" not "reading about the good old boys" haha, caught in your words again.

  • Krapos, the strike has been the only thing in the local news for 8 months... where have you been? On strike? lmao
    How could anyone not have noticed you guys and your dolls acting like delinquent teenagers.

  • Nobody Special, you must use this username because it is something you hear on a daily basis. If you were wondering why I suggested that you spend your time keeping an eye on the strike, it is possibly because of what you posted:

    Nobody Special: "I was so looking forward to watching the good old boys go Easter egg hunting... maybe a new Easter bunny doll to accompany the Grim Reaper and Big Bird."

    Doesn't that explain it all right there? You are planning ahead to take time out of your schedule to be a 'peeping tom'. Seems as though you lead a very, very, simple life.

  • give more facts read the fine print canada is the 7th richest country but its based on about 10 different variables. regarding sweden the unions success is due to COOPERATION. Vale and steel workers are not cooperating because union wants to intimidate. when did 6500 and vale ever dicuss productivity issues. thats one of the key sticking issues.probably the arabian countries are richer than canada but because they haver no human rights they are not listed

  • Fact of the matter is this offer is the best the union could get for you with a mediator. They played the give and take game for 11 days and this is the outcome. If the union so strongly believed this contract was that bad, why then with the strike mandate the members gave them are they letting the members vote? Remember this catch phrase for thursday..."we went out together, we're going back together." When you hear that, know you are being told too stay on strike not because of the contract but because guys like venoit decidedto take matters into their own hands and got fired and vale wants nothing to do with losers like that.

  • @bigriver
    The goal of workers in Scandinavian countries is to reach retirement age at 65 so they can begin living. Durning their working years, its a struggle. Even Norway with its huge oil income operates this way.
    Check these things out. Don't just crouch at the feet of Fera listening to this union bs. He's the one who told you Vale Inco could be brought to its knees in 8 weeks...remember?
    Go down to the hall and start rehearsing for your role in the Thursday nite vote.

  • To RobinHood . Here is a wake up call for you - Your union will run out of money and you will not be getting your $200 a week . They are already borrowing from a number of other unions ...the well will run dry.If you want $$$ go back to work because your mother union will soon bankrupt itself. It is a sad situation that so many people have been deceived by local 6500.

  • Krapos624, did your mom drop you on your head when you were little? What makes you think that I "spend every waking minute complaining about the Strike, and keeping a close 'eye' on the actions of the Union"? It's been pretty hard to not notice you fools with your dolls. Don't get mad at me because you and your union are the laughing stock of Sudbury now... you guys and gals did that all on your own. Are you one of the radicals who won't ever be going back? Is that why you're so angry? You wanted to dance, now you have to pay the fiddler.

  • Canada is the 7th richest country in the world.Yeah I guess it's because of our low productivity. You know who's richer? All those highly unionized Scandanavian countries.

  • look canadian productivity is very low and inco workers have a history of low productivity. why they expect so much amazes me. cant blame vale for taking a hard line against union. its time for the union to recognize that and get productivity up. then vale might respond in positive ways

  • The one thing I'm worried about is how 'accurate' the numbers will be at the end of the day? We're voting YES, and I'm praying that there's more sane members than there are INSANE RADICALS WHO THINK THEY'RE OWED MORE...it's not a great contract, but it's what we're gonna get!!! Take it, or leave it - and let the rest of us get on with raising our families and paying the damn bills! YOU @ssholes - you small minded individuals who show up to important business meetings sporting rough goatees and ripped tshirts! Go the F back to work!!! I was going to say something about John Fera, but really he's just a puppet of Wayne Fraser and Leo Gerard...those guys need to go back to their desks, and let us get back to our mines.

  • Noofie, this is what I heard. Vale is sticking to their guns, understandably, they do not want "John Doe's" re-hired with Vale. The USW is suggesting that the "important issues" in dispute be decided by a third party. Third party might get them back, Vale is not giving in.

    2 of these individuals are on the bargainning committee, who were there "so called" representing the membership. They shouldn't even have been in attendance due to conflict of interest.

    Someone, PLEASE, how is this justifiable? Bargainning Unit, in solidarity with themselves. I just don't freakin get it??

    I'm a spouse of one of the members, I'll be there on Thursday at 6:00, spouse's please join me, we'll be the reasonable voice for the majority of 6500 members, because they are so afraid to ask simple questions.

  • What a sad life you must lead Nobody Special if you spend your time surveilling the actions of the 6500... wait a minute, do you work for A.F.I.?! Maybe that's why you spend every waking minute complaining about the Strike, and keeping a close 'eye' on the actions of the Union. At least you have Phillip Morris keeping a close watch on your 'third eye'!

  • Careful nobodyspecial, your schaudenfreude is showing.

  • So if the offer is accepted later this week, does that mean there will be no more rallies? I was so looking forward to watching the good old boys go Easter egg hunting... maybe a new Easter bunny doll to accompany the Grim Reaper and Big Bird.

  • Any truth to the rumour that the negotiating team refused the offer because Vale Inco at the last minute added a list of Local 6500 members who were no longer employees?

    someone ask the question on Thursday.

    Is the negotiating team recommending rejection of the offer to protect some radicals..all be it radicals created by the USW of A?

  • Actually I was banned twice. The first time i was re-instated due to shoddy filing practices....and a persuasive defense. The second time I wasnt...due to niether of the aformentioned.

  • getting the proverbial boot from the SS wasn't the end of my world...i hope its not the end of yours either. Laters ~~

  • myownlittlemind.....Yes the SS ( not the nazi SS )...The Sudbury one...booted my butt out. Happy are ya ? hahaha
    The NL isnt so quick to be the judge of freedom of speech as the ole SS.

  • bigriver, the bully is still the people ( i cannot call them men) who are pretending to lead you.

    rjpine, did the ss boot your butt out??? it's about time

  • Now who's the bully?

  • nickel, You don't like the offer? Then vote no. Then you will be looking for a new job, not half as good. Good luck.

  • The contract sucked, Vale just hoping that they have straved enough employees out to sign this crap!

  • Will they be able to have a real vote, you know, vote freely? Or will they be intimidated, brow-beaten, and threatened to vote the way Fera and a handful of militant thugs want?

  • Mr. Hood. RobertHood with your avatar was an economist who did NOT work for Vale. Strange coincedence dont you think, having the same avatar? Its not right to steal it and pretend you are someone who was liked very much by those against the strike.

  • I'm guessing enough workers will vote 'yes' to accept the contract based on the fact that many are financially down and out.
    Let's pray Cachon is right and that Vale does sell and that the government pulls their head out of the butts and not allow a foreigner to buy the company.

  • Ya and we will decide NOT to vote on it.

    Tentative agreement or nothing.

    Qoute:
    RobertHood, Im not sure why you stole the name of the blogger from the SS. He was an intelligent man who was against this strike or at least neutral. It wasnt right of you to use his name and spew union crap all over the blogs here on the northern life. Just thought id bring that up
    (end quote)

    I am the one and only RobertHood (screen name) from the SS. Always pro Union, since I am Union. Never did like the strike but hey, it's here now and I WILL get my "Fair Deal".

    Note the RobertHood name is not a real name. It is a varient on RobinHood. If there is a real Robert Hood I appologize and in no way represent his views or opinions.

  • Ferra is "allowing" the membership to vote? What the H E double hockey sticks? Perhaps Mr. Ferra should consider the fact that he is a representative of the UNION MEMBERSHIP. Let the union decide if they want the contract. Ferra can make recommendations, but it is the membership that should be voting on the particulars.

    A five year contract? That's better than three!

    The other issues are up to the membership.....

  • If it is such a fair offer, then why didn't Vale offer it before an eight month strike? I guess they just wanted union members to suffer. And stop yelling. It doesn't make you any more right.

  • Same jackasses yelping about what a poor contract offer it was. Get it through your greedy head. It was a fair offer. No signing bonus because of the idiotic radical union members beating people up and intimidating the ones who were against this strike. This will be the last offer for a year or more. Vote yes. Roberthood, im not sure why you stole the name of the blogger from the SS. He was an intelligent man who was against this strike or at least neutral. It wasnt right of you to use his name and spew union crap all over the blogs here on the northern life. Just thought id bring that up.

  • Oh my! I think I'm crying from the laughter.

    Thanks funny bloggers!

    We may not even vote on it. Did you know that? Perhaps just a burning ceremony.

    So uniformed, yet so opinionated. Go figure.

  • As for the term of the contract, five years and not retroactive, that means we don't get our YEWP's back for the time we were off.If this precedent is allowed, then future strikes will probably cause people to lose YEWP's. Vale's intent is clear: to force everyone to the DC pension despite its assurances that anyone now on the DB pension has nothing to worry about. LIES!!!

  • On the occupational study program, for any study to be approved, it would now require unanimous consent whereas before it would require a simple majority. This would make it virtually impossible to get any new studies done. Why doesn't Vale care about the health and safety of its members?

  • Vale may have changed their position on the monetary issues somewhat, but not on the members' rights as it concerns discipline and grievances. That is the raison d'etre of a union: to be able to give fair and adequate representaion. Everyone is entitled to due process but under Vale's proposal, to win a grievance you will have to go to arbitration because they want to eliminate one stage in the grievance process. That one stage is very important in providing the union with the ability to defend its members.

  • I'm really surprised at the reaction to this proposed contract. 6500 said they wanted Vale to go back to the table and negotiate. They have done that. There have been changes to the original contract. Some of the comments from members of 6500 are just ridiculous. To say that you're so much in debt from the strike and that it would take 10 years to re-coup your losses...Sorry Mr. Hannon...was it not your decision to go on strike??? Why should the company pay YOU your losses when YOU were the one who decided to go out in the first place!!! Mr. Robichaud...of course there are concessions!!! Have you honestly been thinking this whole time that there would be no concessions???

    The whole time this strike has been going on, 6500 members have been blogging that they are not selfish or greedy. That Vale has been unwilling to negotiate. This latest development proves the complete opposite!!! Vale did negotiate. There are differences between the two contracts...and positive differences that favour 6500.

    If 6500 votes no for this contract, then everything they've been trying to prove to themselves and Sudbury will be lost.

  • To all Union Members VOTE YES!!!if you ever want to work for Vale again vote yes. You see they can get along just fine without you vote yes - do not listen to your proud union president - Look what he has got you so far ZERO and thousands of lost dollars. VOTE YES and scrap your useless union.

  • Stop complaining...I can't believe the whinning I read from full grown adults on here....It's time to suck it up and get back to work.

  • To listen to these guys, they expect after having been on strike for eight months they should be fully compensated for all of their losses. Typical unuion mentality.

  • VALE had to have hired Jim Carrey and/or Howie Mandel to present their "new proposal" to the bargaining team. And I laughed. The best part was the $3000 split over 9 months as a "signing bonus", if you will. That was the best one-liner in the whole show.

  • This is a fair deal due to a good job security for 5 years instead of all this BS going to happen every three years...swallow your pride...you lost the war, houses,families...so dont think with your wallet...think with your family who need this...you will have 5 years to save and fight a bigger battle down the road...give the young guys a change to get themselves ready...the barganing people are only out for themselfs...it very simple...who is travelling all over the world, who is paying all the expenses of the barganing people...hotels,meals etc...YOU...so stop the BS...vote with your family in your though...not someone yelling No because his wife is problably working and golfing season is coming and fishing etc...Think about your Family First...not Joe Blow who likes staying at home and doing nothing...and complaining about nothing but to hear himself yak in the blogs...we have tons of these people who got nothing else in life but sit around and watch the wifes work and yell at Vale,it takes two to balance a contract...you have the power in a single stroke of a pen to end this nightmare and have job security for 5 YEARS...a raise every year...its your choice, not the guy yelling No next to you...because...he will be the first to say YES and still complain...what a life...remember FAMILY,FAMILY,FAMILY FIRST...not the people around you always complaining about nothing...their the ones who are not losing anything....its you life, vote with pride...

  • The facts are all there. Not only for the union members to clearly see, but the population as well.
    Bottom line, no child fables needed. This IS a Fair Deal. This IS the Last Chance.

    The Steelworker executive and bargaining unit won't be able to fake their way through this time. The rank-and-file isn't in the dark. They've suffered everlasting financial and personal losses that will never be recovered. The loss of public support and respect is a casualty 6500 will face for decades.
    At the end of the day, the greater percentage of union members will vote yes in this secret ballot. This IS the opportunity they've been whispering about. Getting back to work. Salvaging something. It's a gamble as well. Because it's a certainty 1/3 of those on the pickets won't have a job in 5 years.
    Gamble that versus not having a job Friday morning after an ego driven no vote?
    It's over.

  • P.M.S. The Tortoise is well rested and ready for any
    and all challengers.
    The span of its enormous protective shell provides
    for security and longevity anywhere it travels across
    the globe.
    P.M.S. In the future, could you please refrain from trying to edit my stories.
    Based on the blogs you have submitted so far, you seem better suited for writing Fairy Tales.

  • These guy's are sneaky...Read the fine print...Read between the lines... This is one contemptible offer....the only one who wins here is vale...Everyone should vote "NO" on this one....
    .
    .
    .
    I WANT A FAIR DEAL...

  • Staff get a $10,000 bonus while we're on strike, they fire and harass our members plus the new offer would make it easier for management to harass and fire us, just the motivation I need. I know how I'm gonna vote. NO!!!!

  • Problem is MrSun, is the tortoise in your story is near total starvation.
    The finish line will never be reached because of self-inflicted injuries.

  • Don't get caught in the latest "Snare Deal Now".
    Remember the tortoise and the hare. Slow and steady can produce a winning result.
    Some bloggers would have you believe that by quickly
    following their directions, you will win the prize,
    but in reality, your rushing into the path they've layed
    will have you falling headfirst into a wire with a
    loophole they made to tighten around your chances of
    ever finishing the race.

  • The positive about a defined contribution plan is that it is portable whereas a defined benefit plan is not. Although the wage increase is low, it does give a cost of living increase. A bonus is just that, a bonus. The signing bonus does have strings attached but I can see why they want that condition as they're fully aware the miners are more than upset over this lengthy strike and Vale fears many will come back to work and not put in an honest day of work. Most of the miners will never recoup the losses they incurred of being out for eight months. Most will be retired before they recover those lost wages.

  • At the end of the day, it's time to go back to work.
    The senior employees should retire now, and give some young families a chance to keep their jobs when the layoffs come.
    A decent wage and some health benefits, are all you can hope for in this day and age. Unless you're in the inner circle of the Union group, you don't need them for much - if you do your job well and don't cause shit! I don't trust the 'real numbers' for the actual voting, and I resent that a small group of @ssholes get to decide our fate...if you have a brain cell in your head, you'll go back to work!
    Vale Inco is not the company that the old Inco was, except it, move on - or get booted out by scabs...it's your choice!

  • That about says it all, eh: "Jim Fera will ALLOW HIS members to vote". Gee, thanks oh great leader, for allowing the lowly peons to vote, even though in your magnificence, you advise against it.

  • "Employees would be given $1,000 three months after ratification, $1,000 six months after ratification and $1,000 nine months after ratification, given that certain production targets are met, and the worker is still employed by Vale Inco during those time periods."

    Guess when and if people return to work there WILL be layoffs. Sounds like fun.

    harry, you're a tool. You and P Morris. Get a life!!

  • So this contract is what was mediated between both parties. The reason the talks broke off is because VALE does nopt want to re-hire the people they've fired over the course of the strike. And that's the reality of it all. This is the best offer your gonna get. The union is letting us bote on this because it's the best deal they can get. The only reason they don't approve is because the few that got fired aren't coming back. Take your pick your family or the few that got fired. There comes a time when you need to realise that after 11 or so days of mediating then talks break off with the offer, com'on FERA justbecause you can't get everyones job back isn't a reason to keep the rest of the membership out. They made their bed now they can lie in it.

  • LISTEN IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!....ELLLLLO WAKE UP THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE....GO BACK TO WORK BUNCH OF GREEDY POEPLE ....YOU'R GOING DOWN BY YOUR OWN FAULT, BUNCH OF MORONS STOP CRYING FOR NOTHING YOU AD IT MADE AND YOU REFUSE THE DEAL TO BAD SO SAD...GET A LIFE AND FIND YOURSELK ANOTHER F....JOB SOMEWHERE ELSE LIKE MOST OF YOUR GUYS DID.....

  • I'm kind of worried because if the Union boys take this offer, then Phillip Morris would have to emerge from his cave and try and figure out what society has been doing in his absence. Good luck with that Phillip! Make sure to wear sunscreen, the weather has been nice as of late!

  • wah wah wah, I'm in an union
    wah wah wah I want more money
    wah wah wah i want a bigger pension
    wah wah wah i want a big bonus ( go home and look up the word bonus, the company has no obligation at all to give anyone a bonus)
    wah wah wah, they called us names
    Get out of the way and let real men and women in there that wanna work
    sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

  • What I figure is this is another well thought out maneuver by Vale.
    They showed good intentions by trying to settle things with the assistance of a mediator. The USWA also went for it and now neither can be accused of bad faith.
    They both stickhandled around the main issues. Chatted and still came to a stalemate.
    Basically, the entire game is right back at square #1.
    If 6500 turns down this last offer. The company will have a strong mandate to push on for production without the union.
    If the union takes the deal, Vale gets their way and efficient production with a layoff ensues.
    It's OVER.

  • Family First
    Fera and his goons last
    real easy :)

  • It's been a really tough eight months, and it's not going to get any better. There are issues here that are very, very important to our membership, going forward, and have to be settled,” Fera said.

    This thing is never gonna end
    good luck finding new work in town boys lol

  • I cant believe the Northern Life quoted the radical members of the strikeforce site. Does he know that the majority of the people there are the ones the city hates, the police are always busy with and even the sane members dont even like? When quoting from those types of individuals you must take whatever they say with a grain of salt. It is their actions, not the other members who have given us a black eye. To the so called educated LU professer im very surprised at your statement. In true fact the longer this goes on the more resentment we feel towards our union leaders for not getting us a contract. How soon you forgot that Fera and his cronies cried no concessions for the first six months refusing to go to the table, which caused many members to lose their homes, cars etc. Our kids come first not the brethren at the picket line and most certainly not John Fera who has been getting full pay like Fraser, and Leo Gerard since day one. Discusting.

  • good luck boys
    you're gonna need it
    LMAO

  • spud, fera is your guru, your leader, along with the other 2 winners. They say jump and you say how high? got it? Everyone will be bankrupt by the time they are done. Good luck though.

  • That will be a supervised secret ballot I assume.
    Not a 6500 special*.

    * 100 thugs with an IQ of 65 standing behind the rank and file and "suggesting" how the ballot should be marked.

  • spud, fera is your guru, your leader, along with the other 2 winners. They say jump and you say how high? got it? Everyone will be bankrupt by the time they are done. Good luck though.

  • ahhh ever nice, fera is letting 6500 vote on it...ahhhh

  • Where do they find these guys at Laurentian? Anything he knows is from a book or other academics. Why is he allowed to express an opinion? Does he have any real credentials? What's his source for the reasoning that the members will vote down this offer? What's his basis for suggesting Vale Inco may be selling their Canadian operations?

    Kids (and kids parents) pay a lot of money to listen to this guy's expertise. That's borderline criminal.

  • Typical union brilliance eh? "I lost $50,000 since going on strike, this contract won't make that up!" Like, hey brudder, YOU CHOSE to leave the job, and YOU CHOSE to give up your pay. But, in typical union genius thinking, it is someone else's problem to make it up. Un - believable.

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