Vale statement addresses Local 6500 'campaign of misinformation'

Lineups like this, at picket lines, will continue as members of Local 6500 turned down the latest contract offer from Vale Inco. The company has released a statement addressing what it calls 'fearmongering,' File photo.

Lineups like this, at picket lines, will continue as members of Local 6500 turned down the latest contract offer from Vale Inco. The company has released a statement addressing what it calls 'fearmongering,' File photo.

Mar 17, 2010- 9:09 AM

By: Sudbury Northern Life Staff

Vale Inco has posted a message to striking United Steelworkers (USW) Local 6500 members on one of its websites to answer questions “following the USW campaign of misinformation” in the lead up to a vote on a contract offer from the company last week.

“Never before have we witnessed the levels of fear-mongering and outright falsehoods displayed last week by ‘leaders’ of the USW," the statement, posted on the website, www.valeinconegotiations.com, said. "Their actions have prolonged a strike that has gone on far too long already. We are disappointed . . . but not surprised.”

“We are also moving on. The unwillingness of the USW to negotiate a deal that meets the needs of both employees and the business is evident to all. We have employees who are not on strike and want to work, we have customers who rely on us for their own livelihoods, and we have a union that has done nothing to indicate they care about the business realities we face.”

The Q&A section of Vale Inco's statement

Why was there no ‘return to work’ protocol in place?

In the lead-up to the employee vote on the company’s offer to end the strike, the union leadership went to great lengths to spread uncertainty and fear around the absence of an agreed-upon return-to-work protocol — making unsubstantiated claims of timelines stretching out six months and hinting at ulterior motives on the part of the company. What they failed to explain was that contract talks ended — at the discretion of the independent mediator — before any substantive discussions on returning to work could occur. This was not at all unusual as the two sides had yet to arrive at any form of agreement — the point at which a ‘return-to-work’ conversation would typically begin. There was never any mystery to this and the USW leadership knows it.

As we posted on the company website (www.valeinconegotiations.com), had the offer to end the strike been accepted most employees would have returned within four weeks and all employees within six weeks. Looking forward, with no end to the strike in sight, those timelines will extend as production increases and product pipelines become full. The USW leadership knows this as well.

Is the company planning layoffs when employees return to work?
No, there are no layoffs planned. The union leadership knows this. Our most recent five-year offer to end the strike contained retirement incentives for employees with more than 27 years of employment with pay (YEWPS). In addition, some 500 production and maintenance employees have retired since January 1, 2009. We have downsized considerably already and our challenge now is to realize the efficiencies we need by producing the same or more with a smaller workforce. We cannot, as the USW leadership is demanding, insert a ‘no layoffs for five years’ clause into any offer of settlement. No business can. If events of the past 24 months have taught us anything, it’s that economic circumstances can and do change dramatically with very little warning. Again, the USW leadership knows this.

Is the company prepared to bring back employees who had their employment terminated during the strike?
No. The union bargaining team is demanding that the company reinstate individuals terminated over the course of the strike as part of any settlement. Our position remains clear – this will not happen. Decisions to terminate employment are not made lightly. The facts of each case were reviewed in detail before any decisions were made. In the end, the actions of the individuals in question fail any test of acceptable behaviour – either in society or in the workplace. The USW leadership knows this.

Why was there no signing bonus in the company’s settlement offer?
In more than three months of negotiations prior to the strike, and an additional 10 days of mediated talks earlier this month, the company provided a comprehensive business overview to the USW leadership, including the challenges confronting our operations in Ontario. Successfully concluding a new collective agreement is just one part of what’s required to build a long-term future. We also need to manage costs and improve productivity in every aspect of our operation. A ‘signing bonus’ was not appropriate and has never been a consideration. The USW leadership knows this. A ‘return to production’ bonus meets the needs of all concerned — providing employees with the same or greater bonus opportunity while helping ensure the business resumes successfully for the benefit of all — employees, customers and shareholders. It is designed to be paid with normal effort, not some form of super-human effort as the USW would have you believe. We want our people and the business to succeed — the USW leadership knows this.

The USW leadership says there was ‘nothing new’ in the offer to end the strike. Is this true?
This is completely false. Comments such as these are either ill-informed, ill-intended or both. The company demonstrated considerable flexibility to end the strike over the course of 10 days of mediated talks and enhanced its settlement offer substantially — significantly increasing the amount of money offered from the previous contract proposal in July. The USW leadership knows this. Improvements included wage increases totaling $0.80 an hour, automatic COLA roll-ins, a lower trigger on the bonus so it pays at lower nickel prices, pension improvements totaling $250 a month and a ‘return to production’ bonus of $3,000 per employee — all exceeding amounts provided in recent contracts to which the USW compares us, but seemingly not enough for a union that professes to simply want “the status quo.”

The USW, meanwhile, responded to that offer by verbally delivering a ‘break-off’ position (their term) through the mediator. Incredibly, the USW position on March 7 was more expensive than the very costly settlement proposal tabled by the union in July. Until that time we were hopeful of reaching a deal. The outcome, of course, was to push the two sides further apart.

Is the company willing to return to the bargaining table?
Our position hasn’t changed. From the day the strike began we have been open to exploring a path forward in negotiations. The USW leadership knows this. We thought we saw that path forward earlier this month and tabled a significant offer to end the strike. Unfortunately, that offer was rejected by the USW leadership before it was ever misrepresented to employees. The USW bargaining team provided nothing in return that indicates any interest in reaching a settlement. Unless the union position changes and aligns more closely to the needs of the business there’s little hope for a settlement or for further talks anytime soon.

How does the company respond to threats of violence by the USW leadership?
Violence has no place in the labor dispute between the company and the USW — it never has and never will. The USW has a legal right to strike and the company has a legal right to operate. Public comments by USW leaders predicting and implicitly encouraging violence are reckless, irresponsible and an affront to every law-abiding citizen in Ontario. The USW leadership knows this. No one should be expected to condone or tolerate this kind of behaviour.

Why won’t the company agree to binding arbitration?
As mentioned earlier, we spent a great deal of time and effort over the course of many months negotiating, informing the USW about the challenges facing our business in Ontario. Those challenges are very real, they are significant and they won’t be solved by choosing to ignore them — which is essentially what the USW is asking us to do. Our focus is, and always has been, on meeting those challenges, accepting necessary change and building a long-term, sustainable future. We have no interest in allowing a third party to make fundamental business decisions affecting the future viability of our business. The USW leadership knows this.

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70 Comments

  • vale has 3/4's of the Canadian operations out on a labour dispute...
    Sudbury-88.7%...NO
    Voisey's Bay-100%...NO
    Port Colborne-98.2%...NO
    Thompson Manitoba- Still working
    At the end of Thompson's contract they will be making more than Sudbury....
    Anyone willing to bet that Thompson will be next to be hit....

  • what 200+ people read for themselves and made their own educated decision. Way to go followers the union has sold you so far down the creek. What is your plan now. Good luck with the rallies.

  • I support Vale for the investment has been put in Canada and maintaining thousands of jobs here!!!!! Without this company, many of us will not have a good income job..

    I just can not wait for this thug like union to be decertified and bankrupt, this union is so ego and can not let go the past, maybe they need to see the new world now...this union also hiding behind canadian Flag and trying to make this an national interests, but they just fighting for their own interests/greed... stop champaiging and BS around to serve your fat belly!!!!! every rally they have, the numbers of participants always less than the strikers and about 600 people did not show up to vote.. you can not call 90% as a success unless you are brainless trying to fool other people!! Do not expect binding arbitration in a private company, if you do not like your job, stop balking around and making trouble, just go somewhere if you are competent enough, not to hide behind the thug union!!

    USW 6500 deserves no supports, no respects!!!

  • sudsatnight

    drop outs dont get into Inco, you need an OSSD and then some. and 100,000 a year maybe with lots of overtime and bonous, 29/hr x 2000hrs=58000,

  • Vale has created the problem for itself by trying to impose a top-down management style that may have worked well in Brazil, but ran head on into a work force accustomed to a more consensual management approach, an approach that is based on mutual respect that took years of negotiating together to formulate....
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    You would think that any company about to make such an acquisition in another country should know how to deal with a foreign work force and management culture....
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    A track record of a successful integration or two would be a good thing…
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    For some reason Canadians don’t like getting kicked in the cajones…,

  • who actually own`s the nickel in the ground?who`s land is it on?isn`t there a 500 billion lawsuit launched against canada`s provinial and federal gov,inco,etc,.....from the whitefish lake first nation?shouldn`t that first and foremost be dealt with?considering all the hardship`s the natives in this area and canada have endured,do the natives have the communities support?does the community even know or care about this issue?all these fat inco guys look like they`ve been eating well for too long anyway,with the unemployment rate the way it is in this city(around 10%)i`m sure out of a population of 160,000 there is plenty of ppl who would have no problem replacing the greedy pigs.

  • I trust the Sudbury Police will have a couple cameras and observers with the Flag of Brazil under observation.

    If some of these pitiful few desecrate another nation's flag, I hope they're charged and treated as common thugs and any efforts to place the USW flag among the Nations Flags should be treated as vandalism.

    Of course no arrests could be made at the time due to the risk from mob mentality but with camera and observer evidence, any offenders risk having their names added to the "unemployed 9"

  • Sorry Stumpy.

    Brother inlaw: 2 year highschool grade: dumb as post: 19 years at INCO/VALE: can hardly read english

    and he is a 'brudder': and here is the kicker: HE IS A TRAINER!! And!! And!! He (of course) brags about his house (which is a piece of crap) was built with wiring stolen from INCO (at the time)

    Ha Ha Ha....I would give you his name but its against the rules 'brudder'

  • who actually own`s the nickel in the ground?who`s land is it on?isn`t there a 500 billion lawsuit launched against canada`s provinial and federal gov,inco,etc,.....from the whitefish lake first nation?shouldn`t that first and foremost be dealt with?considering all the hardship`s the natives in this area and canada have endured,do the natives have the communities support?does the community even know or care about this issue?all these fat inco guys look like they`ve been eating well for too long anyway,with the unemployment rate the way it is in this city(around 10%)i`m sure out of a population of 160,000 there is plenty of ppl who would have no problem replacing the greedy pigs.

  • sudsatnight

    drop outs dont get into Inco, you need an OSSD and then some. and 100,000 a year maybe with lots of overtime and bonous, 29/hr x 2000hrs=58000,

  • sudsatnight

    drop outs dont get into Inco, you need an OSSD and then some. and 100,000 a year maybe with lots of overtime and bonous, 29/hr x 2000hrs=58000,

  • Vale has created the problem for itself by trying to impose a top-down management style that may have worked well in Brazil, but ran head on into a work force accustomed to a more consensual management approach, an approach that is based on mutual respect that took years of negotiating together to formulate.
    For some reason Canadians don’t like getting kicked in the cajones…,

  • I love the comments 'Let's see how many pro-vale people will be at the demonstration!!! We will out number them' from the USW losers.

    First losers: we are not pro-VALE; we are anti-'lazy slobs'.
    Next..why would be protest? We have gotten what we want...you are not getting paychecks...WE WIN!!!

    Next...here is a shock: we actually have things to do! You know what I am going to do? I am going to drive home and avoid you trailer-park-trash rally.....and take my family out for a dinner (which you can not afford) and by a nice bottle of wine at dinner (which you can not afford) and invite my friends that are the MGMs and Senior Managers at VALE out for that dinner (which you can not afford) and drink a toast to the fact that you can not afford it!!

    Have a nice rally!

  • Maggie

    Your post represents the exact mentality the USW. You are so out of touch with the real world..you are clearly some 3rd generation Sudburian who is totally out of touch with the world. The world doesn't work like the USW Maggie.

    Young professionals DON'T come to Sudbury because of it's blue collar reputation.

    'Young People' as you call them look for businesses within which their hard work and education will allow them to advance: Advancement based on their individual efforts and achievements; not advance through age, not through the negotiated terms of someone pathetic unwashed blue collar idiot like Fera: .VALE is one of those companys that young people seek out.

    It is the hillbilly elements that scare young professionals from Sudbury. The elements that strike every three years for no reason and that think thug like tactics are the way to hold onto their low skill entitlements that keep people away.

    I hope your comment was made in jest. If you think people outside of Sudbury ACTUALLY want to be associated with the USW...then you need to get out of the trailer park more.

    I moved to Sudbury 10 years ago, and to this day when I tell people I live in Sudbury, they laugh at it. Most of the time I can't blame them.


    Young people from out of town don't want to be steelworkers Maggie. That position is saved for the local highschool drop outs who can't go anywhere else in life....which is why they are desperately trying to hang on to the only job they could get...the one the other local 'brudders' got for them!

    Give you head a shake: call me and i will buy you a round-the-world airline ticket so you can see how the world REALLY works.

  • All the young people will be moving away because of union idiocy, Maggie. And if northside is right, how utterly shameful and ridiculous is that?
    You mean 3000 people and the thousands of others affected, just because 9 union militants got fired?? They probably would have been fired long ago by any company, if they didn't have union protecting idiots.
    If the union wants to protect the fired - let USW hire them - see if THEY want to pay them $100,000 a year, to behave like they do.
    If indeed that is why the last contract offer was rejected - what can you say but SHAME, SHAME, SHAME on the USW!

  • Maggie,

    lemme tell ya something about big business. LONG after people pass away, retire, get fired, move on to bigger and better things VALE Inco will still be here. People will lose their jobs and other people will come into replace them..and so the vicious cycle continues. One thing that is for sure is that VALE will continue to invest and donate into this city, therefore the strikers will never have the formal support of any government or our politicians.

    Also, This isn't about right and wrong. The company has a new business plan, which they intend to follow. Who's it not right for? Some of the employees, you? Well to each their own. If i were to be running a business that listened to my employees on business management and the way the some of the community felt i would probably go broke. You see it's not the employees money that is being gambled with on a day to day basis to operate the company. So like it or not in the end there is only one right and that's the way the company chooses to operate. This company is not breaking any laws and at the end of the day if you disagree with what they are doing as an employee it's time to pack up shop and mosey on.

  • @noofie
    the company doesnt have the smarts(staff) to run the surface plants, thats why there all messsed up,the only nickle they have is what was produced before the stike and thats almost gone and when it is it will be back to work protocall

  • All the young people who live in this city will be moving away if we persist on letting big companies take over. The people we voted in at City Hall should be out there supporting the strikers, not just because of the strike but because we don't want to make Sudbury a Ghost Town....which I fear will happen in a number of years. No matter what you hear or read in the paper.....this company will and continue to reel in anyone they can to see that they are right, WHEN THEY ARE NOT.......it's time for the citizens of Sudbury to ban together and start protecting our city from companies like Vale and remember you have young children that will soon be adults and they'll move away also.

  • All the young people who live in this city will be moving away if we persist on letting big companies take over. The people we voted in at City Hall should be out there supporting the strikers, not just because of the strike but because we don't want to make Sudbury a Ghost Town....which I fear will happen in a number of years. No matter what you hear or read in the paper.....this company will and continue to reel in anyone they can to see that they are right, WHEN THEY ARE NOT.......it's time for the citizens of Sudbury to ban together and start protecting our city from companies like Vale and remember you have young children that will soon be adults and they'll move away also.

  • once again they're going about it the wrong way, the smelter is THAT way boys. blocking a bridge is pissing the wrong people off.

  • Emergency personnel, the police and many others including a lot of citizens oppose this march. As of last night, no permit was applied for or granted. Why should they get away with breaking the law? Dr. Bourdon made it quite clear what a disaster it would be if there was a serious emergency and the bridge was blocked and emergency vehicles couldn't get through. If something does happen, the union executive should be held accountable both criminally and civilly. Police have said they will keep the northbound lanes open for emergency vehicles and let's hope that works. For everyone else heading home, good luck. We have gridlock @ 5 PM when traffic is flowing smoothly, I can only imagine the mess this wil create Monday. And these guys want to garner community support? It's time they retooled their PR strategy as it's not working.

  • good luck getting the manpower to enforce that peacefully OldRick. All I have to say is GM Sit Down Strike 1936, that's how you get things done. Hit em' where it hurts, nice and square in the profits.

    Is the company planning layoffs when employees return to work?
    No, there are no layoffs planned. What? Wasn't there a plan to reduce the number of workers to 1800? It's all I heard about on CBC for a good week.

  • So ridiculous! Steel workers are selfish pricks and seriously need to move on with their lives. We need something new to talk about guys. The more we comment on these articles and the more we publish their ridiculous antics in the news....the more crap they get away with. This is what they want! Our attention. Stop giving them what they want and just ignore them! They are little cry babies and we really need to turn our attention elsewhere and enjoy life! They are the ones that CHOOSE to live their life this way. There are kids in sudbury whose parents ARE laid off and cant put food on the table...and it is not by choice. These workers are blessed to have jobs at all. If they want to suck the soul out of life and be miserable...let them. But the rest of us who are greatful for what we have should carry on. The more attention we give these guys...the happier they are...but they are getting the best of you!

  • The police should arrest all the protesters on the bridge on Monday!!!

  • From what I can tell, all of this crap going on is because of the 9 thugs that got fired. If it wasn't for them 9 guys the latest contract offer would not have got shot down by the leaders and the not so wise got taken in by the spin doctors leading 6500. Actually a couple of these guys are on the barganing committe so what hope of a settlement is there because Vale states they will not reinstate them..So the question remains, how long are you guys going to put your families second to these 9 guys??????????.It also wants to make a person want to cheer for Vale in this dispute, but if this rally goes ahead and blocks off the bridge for a couple of hours then 6500 will find a lot more people on Vales side...

  • They can have all the marches they want. Shout, hoot, make pretty signs. Make hollow speeches about how united they are and stubborn in their resolve.
    At the end of the day, they still won't have their jobs. They are one day closer to Vale's full production without them. The bank and repo man at their doors.
    This latest stunt of blocking public roads will only further anger Sudburians.
    No wonder they don't have any support in the community.
    Face facts boys. You made the wrong choice to strike. You had the golden opportunity to salvage your jobs last week and screwed that up too.
    Now you're striking for the sake of ego. Brilliant.

  • Ginger: "How about taking pictures of the marchers, and then posting them on a website? You know, similar to the scab site...How would that work?"

    This happens all the time actually. It's called the "local media", and after 8 months it's also being called monotonous reporting by a few.

  • @stumpy
    If Vale Inco do return to full production and Local 6500 are still on the picket line, all you'll have to be concerned about is the layoff protocol....or maybe like at Goldcorp Red Lake the company and union will just leave you on the line until you get tired of it and go away.

  • Why doesnt Vale put the back to work protocal in writing offically (not the media) with "layoff protection" for those who may lose there jobs?

  • K Everyone listen. ive been informed by a very reliable source that has been bang on with everything that has happened tell me this. The strikers are organizing bands of thugs to vandalize and harrass people who are not on their side of the strike. If your company is involved in the strike make sure your bosses check outside and make sure there are no suspicious vehicles(vans) parked outside your for extended periods of time with full grown adults sitting in them eyeing your house.

    Obvious nothing new but i garuntee you we will soemthing in the news in the future about a bunch of random houses getting smashed in

  • How about taking pictures of the marchers, and then posting them on a website? You know, similar to the scab site...How would that work?

  • Monday will be a great day. It will be a lovely day for a walk, and I intend on being there front and center! ( camera in hand )
    Looking forward to see all you supporters that day.. Make yourself know.. shake hands with a Striker.. Show them you support them..

  • the road will be open to emergency vehicles

  • @Lloyd:the road won't be blocked, and everyone knows what is going to happen and when....

  • Last time we checked, the Bridge of Nations is a major traffic artery in Sudbury - and that is where the union jackasses will be on Monday at rush hour. In fact, it is one of those major roadways that lead to places like, the 'um - HOSPITALS! No respect, couldn't care less about anything except their own filthy GREED!

  • Funny,how according to 'noofie',Vale 'paid its workers $20 an hour just to show up'........and they made a few billion dollars in a couple of years.

    Apparently,they are now paying their scabs $100 an hour.Wonder how much money they will make now.

  • Re: Roadblock...they are planning a demonstration of some sort this Monday...around the supper hour. Going to go from the Union Hall up Paris St, on the Bridge of Nations. One guy said...well, sure it's going to inconvenience the people of Sudbury for a bit, but we've been inconvenienced for 8 months. He just demonstrated how the Union really feels about the citizens, and they may find out what Sudbury is truly thinking of them. The police are against the march (due to emergency vehicles right of way) and the mayor is not happy with their decision. But they're still going to do it. Nice, real nice. This is a major artery of the city, during 5 o'clock rush hour. I guess the average person, and people who need to get to the hospital can just wait..after all 6500 is inconvenienced.

  • @ Lloyd:They are not going to block a major road in Sudbury,as you put it....
    Where are you getting your info from?

  • The fact that the USW plans to block a major road in Sudbury, even putting rescue services ability to respond at risk, just shows they have ZERO respect or concern for anybody - but themselves. How much more can the people of Sudbury, the silent majority, put up with from these goons?

  • Well Townine, you guess there were stewards scattered in the crowd. I think in Newfy, they'd say you were stunned. And in a court of law, guessing is not evidence.

  • well bigriver
    you can ask Fera tonite why they rushed back to Sudbury, had a Wed. nite meeting with the stewards and then had a Thursday nite meeting with the membership followed by a vote.
    I'm guessing the stewards and health and safety guys were scattered through the crowd to shout down any questions or opinions that Fera didn't like.
    In Newfy, we call those people a "clack".

  • History in the making - who's going to blink next?

  • It's easy to answer questions when you ask them yourself. That way, you know what questions to ask and how to pose them to get the answers you want.

  • Notice how 6500 has never once employed this same style of press release?
    Pure facts. Question and answer.
    No propaganda. No name calling.
    Face it boys, it's over.

  • I see Northern Life liked my comment so much, they printed it twice. Thanks NL for agreeing with me.

  • Yes Townie, we were paid for just showing up. Please try harder when you print horsecrap! As for name calling, I think Vale has heard worse.

  • you local 6500 people sure loved Vale Inco when they were paying you $20.00/hr just to show up. Now you can't find enough derogatory names and slurs to call them.

    As has been said by others:
    a/ it was Local 6500 in collusion with Vale Inco who "raped" our resources.
    b/ if Vale Inco are such despotic employers, why are you still here? Go find a better job. Nothing you and your brudders can do will change their management style or goals.

    By the way, the NUS and O&T people who are still working are very happy with the way they are being treated and are enjoying being well paid.
    The contractors on site are enjoying being able to get their job done without the constant interference and bitching from you people.
    If you don't get back to work soon, they're not going to want you back brudder.

  • Lloyd: You're comparing Vale Inco as WalMart or Petsmart..not to smart..it's not THE SAME...who owns the ore???It's a prviledge for Vale Inco to extract the mineral and make a profit...they do not make NICKEL ....and they havn't found it either... it's there..it belongs to US....and our share is good salaries for our guys & supporting the community! The rest they can share it with themselves.... the brazilians! Go Canada Go

  • I just read an article that says Vale was fined $300 million in Brazil for stiffing workers in contravention of Labour Laws. Guess their lawyers are not as smart as they think. Now if only the Canadian and Ontario governments follow a similar course, then Vale should be ponying up some cash in the near future.

  • I'm no bargaining guru, but all one has to do is *Google* Vale's track record as a global corporate citizen to see a sad record of injustices to worker's, environment and gov't regulation. The facts are hard to dispute and they tell the story. I'm just sayin'!

  • Talk about biting the had that feeds you. If the union wants to call the shots at Vale, let them step up and buy the company at fair market value. Right now, Vale owns the business - even though some union blockheads think they do; and Vale have a right to run their business, preferably with USW workers. This strike is ENTIRELY the fault of the union - they are not only holding the company ransom, but the entire community of Sudbury - now they are even planning civic disruptions of the main roads, for crying out loud. The question now is, is the rest of Sudbury going to let USW do whatever the hell they want, and the rest of Sudbury be damned?

  • to vale leadership Q/A: To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead! This is for both sides!

  • Notice how Vale states their case without name calling.

  • I just read an article that says Vale was fined $300 million in Brazil for stiffing workers in contravention of Labour Laws. Guess their lawyers are not as smart as they think. Now if only the Canadian and Ontario governments follow a similar course, then Vale should be ponying up some cash in the near future.

  • bigriver you think collective bargaining was ever a civilized process you are dreaming. Look its obvious here that the union stonewalled the mediation process in order to bring and unfinished agreement to the membership who of course turned it down. Its pure politics and I am glad no body if making me lose my wages to they can play it.

  • bigriver you think collective bargaining was ever a civilized process you are dreaming. Look its obvious here that the union stonewalled the mediation process in order to bring and unfinished agreement to the membership who of course turned it down. Its pure politics and I am glad no body if making me lose my wages to they can play it.

  • lets see what tricks local 6500 get up to
    misinformation sabotage,thuggery,hate,voilence,threats, impeding and disrupting traffic. shouting,padding rallies with inlaws and outlaws, excessive demands, same old same old they are losing there grip the old inco too there crap but it aint working any more timesw they are a changing

  • Repeating a phrase over and over is an old trick used for propaganda. The Vale leadership knows this.

  • see you at the parade

  • Good for the union members sticking together and telling Vale to shove their latest offer.Vale probably thought the union would jump at this latest offer but they were wrong and thought the union would come crawling back like whipped dogs.Offer a fair deal Vale and get this over with because your corporate image is in shambles.

  • harryRsole, Thank you..
    Our "rally" will be incredible. :-)
    Expect all the good people there..
    Guess that means, you will be absent!

    Gay Pride parade isn't till later in the summer.. Don't you remember?

  • bye bye USW
    you guys are done for
    good luck with your gay pride parade on the 22nd :)

  • USW Membership meeting tonight.. at the hall on Brady..
    Be early, as parking is at a premium!
    Do not believe any of this from veil..
    It is so easy to say what they want in the media, but when it was being discussed at the table, they told a totally different story.
    All questions can, and will be, answered tonight.
    See you there..

  • The first offer is usually just to test the waters out.
    The first offer is ALWAYS a low ball offer.
    vale figured, that after 8 months off Canadians would come crawling back like whipped dogs. I don't think that vale realized that the Canadian resolve is stronger now, than when this B.S. strike started. In my opinion vale underestimated the strength and cohesiveness of Canada and Canadians.
    I would be willing to bet that vale wouldn't like anything better than to have this labour dispute behind them.(It’s costing them too much, in operating costs, profits and public relations) ).I think vale is starting to be seen for who they really are,(this strike is starting to get more attention). People are beginning to realize that vale doesn't care about Canada or Canadians. All they want are our resources, and they don't care how they get them...
    There will be another offer.
    That's how the game is played.

  • Eight months on strike and all Vale can say is the union lied but Vale is the one that keeps setting Canadian labour relations precedents: Firing people on strike, suing people on strike, suing the negotiating team for defamation, calling in the most successful mediator in Canada but yet unable to reach a deal. It is quite clear who is lying and I don't give a good goddamn if Vale sues me!

  • I agree Ken. It certainly clears a lot up!

  • Boys your union has lied to you. Will they ever admit to it ...NO ...what has it cost you #1 your well paying jobs #2 your freedom to think for yourselves #3 your potential future with Vale.
    Local 6500 will never ever admit they were wrong but they are and have been from about 8 months ago .....I pity all union members who voted NO.

  • I think vale bought the book "How to be a spin doctor for dummies"....

  • If Vale was serious about negotiating, then why did they sue the negotiating team for defamation? You're full of it Vale. It's obvious your intent is to provoke, not to settle. Is that how you do things in Brazil? Turn a civilized process into a street brawl?

  • One has to wonder if all of this information was provided to the membership. If it was, was it explained without spin. This seems to be a fairly clear and straightforward question and answer piece which sets things out quite clearly. I'm sure there are other issues which are not being discussed here but this certainly gives us some insight.

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