Protestors want ombudsman to have power to investigate CAS

Among those who attended the protest was William Mullins Johnson, a Sault Ste. Marie man who was wrongfully convicted of murder in the 1993 death of his four-year-old niece, Valin Johnson. Photo by Heidi Ulrichsen.

Apr 23, 2010- 9:09 AM

By: Sudbury Northern Life Staff

A group of about 15 people protested on Lasalle Boulevard, across the road from the Children's Aid Society (CAS) of the Districts of Sudbury and Manitoulin April 22.

The protesters want the province to pass a private member's bill, Bill 93, introduced by provincial NDP leader Andrea Horwath, which would give the ombudsman the power to investigate Children's Aid Societies in the province.

Among those who attended the protest was William Mullins Johnson, a Sault Ste. Marie man who was wrongfully convicted of murder in the 1993 death of his four-year-old niece, Valin Johnson.

He blames the Children's Aid Society for ruining his family, because during the investigation they bullied his six-year-old niece “into telling lies.”

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61 Comments

Northern_Life 4/28/2010 8:06:45 AM - Report Abuse

The comments on this story have been locked, as the discussion has moved way off topic.
*MAXIMVS* 4/27/2010 3:51:02 PM - Report Abuse

The cowards wont even take me to court...and its not cause they don't want to expell the energy...its because they are COWARDS!!! All covering each others back. But the truth does not lie. ...and neither does Maximus....the CAS an you, well your reputations speak for themselves.
drhinsud 4/27/2010 3:18:45 PM - Report Abuse

Reach for the "help" button before you snap PM..you can do it.
Phillip Morris 4/27/2010 3:09:23 PM - Report Abuse

MINI, what proof do you have that that tracked letter has anything to do with the CAS or some secret conspiracy you rant about?
It could be anything from your subscription to MAD to a Victoria's Secret order you sent along.
Get a grip.
Just because you were on the wrong end of a proper investigation, doesn't mean you have to be so upset. Instead of deflecting, like a few others, focus your energy on yourself.
Being bitter, angry, confrontational, delusional, and suspicious of anybody that is in authority isn't making your plight any better. It only clears up why the authorities are drawn to your type like a magnet.

Sorry drhind, in the real world there are winners and losers. The CAS has to step in sometimes and keep the latter from harming the development of thier kids.
drhinsud 4/27/2010 12:32:23 PM - Report Abuse

PM,its very easy to sit here and do a little assessment of your mentality.
You don't believe in what you can't see? I see in you a person that was more than likely a product of a bullied childhood.. either at school or maybe at home? Unlike the olden days when parents stayed together for what they thought was the betterment of their children,(which turned out to be not a good idea because the childrens lives were in constant chaos and they were brought up to believe screaming,name calling,viollence etc was normal) Today when parents part,seperate,divorce..and if the CAS becomes involved they are not there to help put the family back together ! A child should not have to seperate from one of their parents. it shouldn't be a winner and a loser. Some people grow apart and can't get along anymore..a child shouldn't have to grow up without one of his parents.
What would of your Mother or Father done if someone told them they could no longer see you? I know what mine would of done ! I truely hope you can over come your anger from your childhood. Its nothing to be ashamed of,any many people on here understand its easier to critizize other people for their courage than admit the burning anger inside is your own experiences in life PM. Hope this works for you. Just reach out and ask for help..its there.
me_554 4/26/2010 8:41:31 PM - Report Abuse

well i think it's gone.......haha
*MAXIMVS* 4/26/2010 7:26:14 PM - Report Abuse

MORRIS...Heres the tracking number to track the letter. LT577156073CA
Check it on Canada Post website sent on April 15, 2010
http://www.canadapost.ca/cpo/mc/default.jsf?LOCALE=en
What kind of demented person would make a claim that the letter was just an invention? You're on a sinking ship Morris, hope you can swim.
clockw3rx 4/25/2010 7:50:56 PM - Report Abuse

CAS is a big fat joke.

They never investigate anything properly. And we all know it.
Person1701_2 4/25/2010 7:25:48 PM - Report Abuse

Morris, you are deluded if you think cases investigated by malicious allegations are simply closed. Hear say is accepted in court. No physical proof required.

There is no way you have the resourses, where with all, or information to refute what these folks have to say. Be my guest. Back it with fact.

We pay CAS to protect children, not destroy families. We are fighting for our children and we won't give up. Why exactly are you here?

Children in care are 10 times more likely to die than in the general population. Prove me wrong.

"There are none so blind as those who refuse to see."
me_554 4/25/2010 6:07:01 PM - Report Abuse

Ohh my god what a debate, we should have a hall with police
and debate the PM......Then we could see what his cold hard facts are against ours... He would be buried in paper work for years.lol
me_554 4/25/2010 5:09:21 PM - Report Abuse

Ohh my god what a debate, we should have a hall with police
and debate the PM......Then we could see what his cold hard facts are against ours... He would be buried in paper work for years.lol
with held 4/25/2010 4:12:26 PM - Report Abuse

PM, please answer my questions directly on record now or stop flaming this blog.

Will you go on record as saying that workers at the Children's Aid Society Of The Districts Of Sudbury And Manitoulin have not committed any criminal acts, violated the Child and family services act, the privacy act, they have not abused any children and that I am lying when say it is true YES or NO?
DenisG 4/25/2010 4:11:20 PM - Report Abuse

FYI PM "What are the ACTUAL solved, no intervention required vs. needed protection numbers? - You can't even touch that number because YOU DON'T KNOW."
Your absolutly right because the only people that know is the CAS ! If these numbers were in their favor you can bet they would be making people aware ..but oh ya, they regulate themselves because they are only accountable to THEMSELVES! As for "solved" only thing they solve is how to generate more $$$$$ !
*MAXIMVS* 4/25/2010 3:49:43 PM - Report Abuse

Wallbanger...most lawyers here are paid a monthly retainer from CAS's $68 million which it recieves annually...just in case there needed hahah. Thats why you won't find a lawyer here to stand up against them...these lawyers rather like to hang on to the monthly retainer as Im sure it forms a big part of their income. I find it suspicious that CAS's budget in Sudbury rivals that of the SRPS. How many CAS workers, lawyers and management do we have at our CAS? What a waste of our tax dollars.
wallbanger 4/25/2010 3:42:07 PM - Report Abuse

dont know anyone who has a good word to say about CAS. met some soacil workers who were not mentally healthy at all. so the protestors might have a good point here. think there should be more accountability but then that would cost more. lets have a make work project for some lawyers to investigate this and come up with some changes
me_554 4/25/2010 3:20:24 PM - Report Abuse

It amazes me that Philip Morris still has not responded to my comments about abuse and how the C.A.S allowed it to continue. How they threw me into the world with no support, no family just a cheque.These are the hard facts.

You go maximvs..
*MAXIMVS* 4/25/2010 1:27:56 PM - Report Abuse

Care to address this Morris??? Cause I still havent recieved a response.
April 15, 2010
Attention :
President and Board of Directers The Children's Aid Society of the Districts of Sudbury and Manitoulin
Jean Jacque Paquette, Candice Poulin-Mikic, Jody Marcotte (Francophone Team)
Re: Assessor to be approved by The Sudbury Children's Aid Society
The following is a list of the qualifications belonging to an independant mental health professional.
CREDENTIALS.."He is the senior Psychiatric Consultant to the Mood Disorders Clinic at University Health Network (TGH) Division. In addition he maintains an actice practice in organizational and occupational psychiatry. He's had extensive experience in DAC related asessments. He maintains a practice in Independant Psychiatric Evaluations in the area of STD,LTD and medico-legal assessments. He's has been a Specialist Psychiatrist since 1983 and is a graduate of the Toronto Psychiatric Institute. He is a Physician fully licensed to practice in the province of Ontario as a Phychiatric Specialist and is on faculty with the Department of Psychiatry, University of Toronto. He is a member of the Canadian Medical Protective Association and carrys malpractice insurance. He has 20 years experience as a consultant psychiatrist and is fully licensed by the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons."
In 2002 and 2005, for unknown reasons two other assessments I provided were not accepted by your "society" . Please reveiw the above qualifications and indicate whether these qualifications are acceptable. If so I am requesting a visit with my son ASAP. If they are not acceptable, then please explain why.
Also please disclose to me the time and dates of your monthly board meetings as they are supposed to be open to the public. Please reply via email.
Please find enclosed my application for membership to your society.
Thank You,
xxxxxx
xxxx@hotmail.com
www.corruptioncentral.com
cc File
Person1701_2 4/25/2010 1:20:00 PM - Report Abuse

Notice how Morris is not addressing the hard facts and issues? Notice how she ridicules us for our numbers, yet she's the only hater here?

Morris has no defence for her 'agency' so she's trying to work on our emotions.

Go ahead Morris, address the stats and hard questions posed.
with held 4/25/2010 1:10:08 PM - Report Abuse

Phillip, are these people lying about the problems with Children's Aid Societies Yes or No? any other answer will not be accepted.
*MAXIMVS* 4/25/2010 12:30:44 PM - Report Abuse

Fillup...how do you expecct to ever be taken seriously? Avoiding the facts and those affected in this city is hardly what you would call credible conduct. About 53% of all child protection cases are unsubstantiated... Is that why Sudbury CAS had to create a theory? Imagine such an agency that develops theories to keep families apart. Deny children their parents? Where will you be when these kids are grown? They may pay you surprise visit one day. Whats your theory on that Phill? Is that why cowards like you remain annonomous and closed o the public?
Phillip Morris 4/25/2010 12:08:26 PM - Report Abuse

And more of the same overblown rhetoric and anger continues to spew from the same few.
Keep diggin' folks. You're only making yourselves look worse.
RallytilltheEnd 4/24/2010 10:24:52 PM - Report Abuse

Philip Morris, if you choose to be a sheep and follow the masses it is entirely up to you. But there are indisputable facts about this agency that even a blind eye can't turn away from. A caring agency would not let my father be raped and sold for drugs while in a group home nor force my grandmother to be the first person here in town to be tested with electroshock therapy. A caring agency would not hide behind a shrowd of secrecy in order to continue to get funding, a caring agency would not let children die in their care, a caring agency would stand up and allow oversight because they wouldn't have anything to hide. But clearly this is not a caring agency and they need oversight long ago. They prey upon the native community, they prey upon the people in poverty, they prey upon people whom they believe to have low education. That's right, I said prey, because its what they do. There are no conspiracy theories here because its the truth. If you want to be blind that's your choice. You can be the coffee shop complainer who does nothing to fix what they are complaining about or you can stand up and fight for what's right and make change. Its your choice. If you choose to let the child abuse to continue by the Children's Aid Society your no better than they are. Judging by your comments it only leads me to belive that you are either a worker yourself or married to one.
*MAXIMVS* 4/24/2010 10:22:16 PM - Report Abuse

Ontario Ombudsman Andre Marin is living on borrowed time.

His five-year year term expired March 31 and the Ontario government is searching for a new ombudsman while Marin serves out a six-month temporary extension.

I suspect it has much to do with the embarrassment Marin regularly causes the Ontario government when he issues reports using his typically blunt language.

It also likely has a lot to do with Marin's insistence that the Ombudsman's mandate should be expanded to cover what he calls the MUSH sector: Municipalities, Universities, School boards, Hospitals and long-term care facilities, as well as children's aid societies and police.

In his last annual report Marin argued,(t)hese are areas where thrift, sensible government and good judgment are acutely required, yet the government of Ontario declines our help, and it is costing all of us.
with held 4/24/2010 9:42:58 PM - Report Abuse

I feel everyone who deliberately prevents Children's Aid Societies from being investigated for their crimes, obstructs justice for the innocent families, doesn't want children in care to have access to help is felicitating child abuse or criminal acts are obviously not worthy of having children.
itsshowtime 4/24/2010 9:29:10 PM - Report Abuse

phillip morris There were 25 protestors last time and 17 this last rally - that is still 4100 % more democratic importance than your irrelevent pandering
*MAXIMVS* 4/24/2010 7:25:59 PM - Report Abuse

Typical BS from yin or is it Yang? You and skin are definately cut from the same cloth....two cowards, hiding from the public. Why not defend this great angency in publically? Face to face? Hell I'll even rent a hall! Ohh the reasons are obvious arent they. Talk about angry? Have you read some of Skin's comments? If ever a candidate for vallium she's the one! If ever a candidate for denial YOU"RE the one. Lines and lines of hate and anger? Where? You say Im bent? Funny are you a doctor? Nope! The medical profession says otherwise... You consider yourself somewhat intelligent and yet take the word of a bar-fly PSW? I do have evidence of corruption, and if you were any kind of a man you would open your eyes. Dont mistake me exposing the individuals as revenge...look at it as educating th public as to what has been going in this city. A caring agency? Is that what you call an agency that has kept children and parents apart? A retarded lawyer who developed a "theory". An agency that wont even tell the public when their monthly board meetings are held? An agency that tells parents not to ask their own kid how things were in school because their theory is that this might cause emotional damage? Its no wonder why they dont want people to know whats going on and fools like you and Skin try and prop them up. Wanna step up to the plate? Hell i'll even rent a cop AND a hall....what are you afraid of???
Phillip Morris 4/24/2010 5:07:22 PM - Report Abuse

See how much venom is spit by the so-called innocent folks?
Lines and lines of hate and anger.

Thanks for proving my point folks. Mini there doesn't need any more support. His world of vast conspiracies and deep corruption is evidence, in its own, of how bent he and his type are.
Thank God there are only a handful of those bent on revenge because of a caring agency.
itsshowtime 4/24/2010 10:31:51 AM - Report Abuse

Interesting comments 'Phillip Morris', "Grass roots would lead the people to believe that there is a large ground swell of support.
With the handful of disgruntled people filled with personal agendas, a more accurate label would be 'weeds'.

There were 25 protestors last time and 17 this last rally - that is still 4100 % more democratic importance than your irrelevent pandering.
me_554 4/23/2010 8:55:46 PM - Report Abuse

There is nothing wrong for wanting and having oversight on government agencies. You rant all you want that just means you have something to hide.
with held 4/23/2010 8:14:42 PM - Report Abuse

PM, it seems everyone at the rally is quite focused on a simple request for accountability and I can't see how they are deflecting.
The Ontario Ombudsman, the Ontario Child Advocate and 18 MPP's know serious problems exist and express the need for accountability. What logic have you applied to deem their request so unreasonable what if anything is there to be afraid of? If you want to prove people wrong amuse us and support an investigation.. Fighting people before you know the facts immediately sends up red flags.

Btw, It hasn't been proven in Ontario Courts they've indeed taken knowingly taken children away from good parents http://goudgeinquiry.ca. The victims of Greg Carter of Whitby were probably dismissed as lunatics

Are you willing to say the Sudbury Children's Aid hasn't made any mistakes?
Do you know if everyone filing a complaint is lying yes or no?

I do know of a few great people within the Society but at the same time I'll go on record and say 'some' workers at Children's Aid Society Of The Districts Of Sudbury and Manitoulin have while on duty in the capacity of a child protection worker or whatever.. committed perjury, mischief, violated the Child and Family Services Act, the Privacy Act and after finding out we had legally & covertly been audio/video taping them they obtained court order preventing us from any audio/video taping while they were in my own home.

If you want to prove me wrong (good luck with that they can't either) as I'm using their own affidavits and court transcripts against them.. (idiots)

Go on record and call me a liar. I will caution you about making libellous statements.
me_554 4/23/2010 8:08:17 PM - Report Abuse

P M I as well are neither of those things. i have my children
but as a child the C.A.S allowed the abuse of me for 10 years.
people witnessed in public my beatings all they did was make a phone call to the house. guess what happened i was beaten to an inch of my death. they never came to the house. I was beaten so bad i have injuries today.the c.a.s decided to help me when he threatened to drown me the next day i was 15. then by 16 i was living on my own as a crown ward they said here's a cheque and nothing else. I had no family no support nothing. plz tell me how this is right.
Person1701_2 4/23/2010 8:02:47 PM - Report Abuse

Morris, who are you talking about? Over reactive, emotional, angry dissenters?

Does anybody know who he's talking about?
*MAXIMVS* 4/23/2010 7:53:00 PM - Report Abuse

P ost M ortem.....When you say "disgruntled people filled with personal agendas, confrontational, overreactive, emotional, and angry"...I hope you're not referring to me. I am neither of those things nor have I ever been described by ANYONE as being that way.
Then you say "the kids are way better off with having the CAS referee as a buffer". For your information CAS in my case is against ANY access even supervised, The Ontario's Provincial Advocate even contacted the cas BUT RECIEVED no REPLY. ..so like I said before they dont act as buffers but instaed as kidnappers. Finally you said "Anonymity posting is the same abusive character they'll force in the privacy of the home"...are you nuts? Are you using your own name in your home? Would you teach your own kid to post online using his real name? Maybe CAS should be looking at you and your parenting skills. Now I understand why you're the ding to skyndstry's dang. tsk tsk tsk
Person1701_2 4/23/2010 7:52:16 PM - Report Abuse

Morris, slow down, you have a real dim view of this world. Gestapo, kicking doors down, random pulling, ugly protests? I haven't seen anyone post those words in this discussion but you. Don't be so upset baby stealer. It can't be easy to justify what you do.

The truth is, we have enough documentation to bury the Ombudsman's office for a decade. Our time will come one way or another. I'm honoured to be one of the 15.

Everybody, don't waste your efforts on CAS workers who come to the discussions and make themselves sound like passive observers. They come to light a fire under the most emotional of all issues. Our children.

Not their children, OUR children.
Phillip Morris 4/23/2010 7:35:50 PM - Report Abuse

Grass roots would lead the people to believe that there is a large ground swell of support.
With the handful of disgruntled people filled with personal agendas, a more accurate label would be 'weeds'.

Again, look at how confrontational, over reactive, emotional, and angry the dissenters are. Easy to see why the authorities need to be in their lives. Surely the kids are way better off with having the CAS referee as a buffer. Imagine how traumatizing it would be for an innocent child to have nobody there to protect them from this type of person? Anonymity posting is the same abusive character they'll force in the privacy of the home.
Person1701_2 4/23/2010 7:33:15 PM - Report Abuse

I was referring to drhindsud, not you Max. No beef w/you.
*MAXIMVS* 4/23/2010 7:14:27 PM - Report Abuse

Selected individuals are required. Need to able to be manipulated by CAS lawyers and taught how to lie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHuo5Jnxog8&feature=related
*MAXIMVS* 4/23/2010 7:09:35 PM - Report Abuse

If drug tests were performed on some CAS workers in Sudbury the end result would be the same.

http://www.canadacourtwatch.com/Correspondence/2006Dec06%20-%20Baxter%20to%20%20Mary%20Anne%20Chamber%20re%20drug%20use%20at%20CAS.pdf

A little more than 15 people....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnGtfDE5ZWk
me_554 4/23/2010 7:05:48 PM - Report Abuse

Pm You have no idea what you are talking about. The so call
C.A.S has scared many so bad they are afraid to come because they think that the C.A.S. will harass them and use there kids as bait to shut up. We are a grass roots effort but that's how it starts just a few then hundreds then thousands.When others see how strong we are and how much heart love compassion we have they will come out of the shadows with their torches lite. They will walk with there heads up high and say NO MORE .
*MAXIMVS* 4/23/2010 6:56:04 PM - Report Abuse

Ohh Fill-up...the yang to skyndtry's yin....another so-called up standing citizen who likes to make assumptions while hidiing behind his avitar. The arguement simply is that children NEED both parents. CAS is not there to unit parents and children, they're there to separate and allienate. They lie, perjury, etc etc. wanna see some proof? Or do you just like making assuptions...
Phillip Morris 4/23/2010 6:41:24 PM - Report Abuse

Again, 15 people.
Only fifteen have a beef. And one that is there because of a 17 year old case that isn't even the CAS' jurisdiction.

Look how much venom is spewed by those that think they’ve been done wrong by “The system”. Look how lengthy the rants are. How off the rails their logic and emotions get. It doesn’t take much to connect the dots. See why the CAS has stepped in to protect the children.
The futile argument is “Unless you’ve dealt with them, you’ll never know what its like.”
Yeah, the CAS. Just like the Gestapo, kicking in doors at random and pulling kids away….
Folks, pay close attention to the deflection and ranting. The clue to how lucky the innocent kids are to have someone who cares step in and rescue them is within those ugly protests.
me_554 4/23/2010 6:27:03 PM - Report Abuse

maxim you have the wrong link you have it in .com when its .ca
http://bill88.ca/
*MAXIMVS* 4/23/2010 5:43:45 PM - Report Abuse

http://bill88.com/ still no infor on CAS....what else am off on person?
Person1701_2 4/23/2010 5:32:59 PM - Report Abuse

Moles, observed, fishy...? Are you talking some kind of espionage? I just checked the bill88 site and you're off on that one too bud.
drhinsud 4/23/2010 5:07:28 PM - Report Abuse

There is no information on the site bill88.ca, only a place to order music dvd's... your site has been up years before mine and you only have how many signatures? like I said before the movement for accounatbility has moles...seems you only make an appearance when others are active in the province. Every time you've been observed you always had you kids with you. Whats up with that? Why are so selectively active? Seems kinda fishy to me and self promoting. Bet you support our local MPP who does support the bill himself right?
RallytilltheEnd 4/23/2010 3:52:48 PM - Report Abuse

bill88.ca is the website to visit for more information regarding rallies and the truth of children's aid.
Person1701_2 4/23/2010 3:52:20 PM - Report Abuse

With held, you're all over the place. Focus man, focus.
Person1701_2 4/23/2010 2:32:21 PM - Report Abuse

Hey Morris,

The Mullins Johnson 'case' is on the verge of setting new legal precedence. How obsolete is that for you. Not to mention all the litigation surrounding the disgraced criminal pathologist, Dr. Charles Smith and the 45 child autopsy case he falsified.

We pay CAS to protect children from the very abuse and neglect they suffer in foster care. If their numbers are down, their budget is cut. But you know how that works because you are obviously taking it quite personal that the exoneration of Mr. Mullins Johnson has made a FOOl of your organizatin.
with held 4/23/2010 2:22:52 PM - Report Abuse

Phillip Morris "Facebook spurs Sudbury rally against government delay" 1/10/2010 4:01:19 PM

What a joke.
Clicking on a button to join a support group is NOT a sign of any grass roots movement.
For instance there are over 300,000 member of a group encouraging John (Cougar) Mellencamp to stop smoking.
Another group has 100,000+more» that is trying to convince a single mother to name her unborn child "Megatron".

Sitting at a keyboard is far from actually putting feet on the street. And no NDP opportunist rally will ever do that.
Taliban Jack Leyton. At it again for his sound-byte. The same people that were in a coalition with the separatists BQ last year. Making promises to them for support to overthrow parliament. - Remember THAT?

Spoken like a true canadian (at times)
drhinsud 4/23/2010 12:34:11 PM - Report Abuse

RAG TAG? I hope that every Child that has had their childhood taken from them by this agency can one day look in your eyes and pity you for your ignorance !
drhinsud 4/23/2010 12:29:59 PM - Report Abuse

PM . I can not even begin to believe that you are so nieve !If you know nothing about this subject you should either educate yourself or shut up ! You are making a fool of yourself !Do you need a lesson on the ABC of how CAS operates?
A..A young family having problems is directed by the courts,police,or other agencies to go 'talk" to the CAS..
B..the CAS chooses which side (parent) to support.(if either)
C..If one parent is capable of paying child support they will side with the other.
D.. They strip the children of one parent and keep that parent fighting in courts for his rights.
Since you know NOTHING about these issues you apparently havn't been to Family court..thats where you find all the under qualified CAS workers sitting waiting to
tell the judge Their "THEORIES"
Once a child reaches a certain age the CAS has no need for them anymore and all the phycological damage they have caused is forgotten about. CAS are no more than peodophiles..they go after families with young children to make work for more money. More children in care more money for cas workers,judges,courts..it goes on and on.
And when that child becomes of age he is turned out onto the streets with no moral compass of family values.There are parents who willingly have their child labelled special needs so one parent can get prescriptions for ritalin,(kiddy coccaine).And when the other parent complains about this ..the child is taken out of their life.
Did you know that a custodial parent has the right to choose whether to use welfare prescription coverage or health plan provided by the support paying parent? The reason this is sanctioned by the CAS is to help the custodial parent hide the truth.
There is many things you can find fault with PM..but you should start at the begining and look at the agency that this government has given Billions of dollars to and 100% authority to. As of now they are untouchable.
RAG TAG? I hope that every Child that has had their
*MAXIMVS* 4/23/2010 12:22:50 PM - Report Abuse

(continued)...Having had personal experience with Sudbury CAS I can state that they are out of control, and unfortunately the court goes along with guesses, exaggerations, and outright lies on court documents. What has happened is that a naive government has given cas workers the power to remove children from the family home without accountability to any outside organization and on the basis of assumptions. All too many workers abuse this and play on this power, as few have the training nor the maturity to handle such. The present costly, indefinitely drawn out court process is beyond ridiculous, and beyond sanity. For parents to have to spend thousands of dollars and months if not years to prove their innocence in court, or that a worker was mistaken, or lying; and for the children to be traumatized for months if not years by being separated from parents while this takes place, shows a system that has lost its way. A society that has lost its humanity. It offends all sense of civilization and decency.
www.corruptioncentral.com
*MAXIMVS* 4/23/2010 12:22:02 PM - Report Abuse

Fillup Moreless....our MPP and other liberals were blocking attempts by the Ontario Ombudsman to monitor and hold accountable the CAS in the province of Ontario, This is criminal obstruction of justice and family rights, and those responsible have to be held acountable! A future, more advanced society, will put these people in jail where they belong as criminals. Indiscriminate removal of children must stop as well as ongoing harassment of parents who have done no wrong. Wrongful removal is child abuse and months or years of costly court cases forcing parents into bankruptcy is a national disgrace, not to mention the permanent damage done to the children. Many have herd of corruption at the highest levels of the CAS, with directors abusing funding and spending it on themselves…
Unfortunately all too many of the CAS workers and “supervisors” are either too brainwashed or filled with the sense of their own importance to pay much attention to the number of families they needlessly destroy, and they feel untouchable. Add to that a government that is so far from reality they completely ignore the few good MPP's and MP’s that do address the situation, and it can be seen that things will only change when people take part more.
Truly we are in a situation of having to ask, “Who will protect our children from the CAS?” The Children’s Aid Society is the biggest threat to children’s safety and well being that there is now. None of us disagree that children have to be protected, but the agency has consistenly proven that leaving this important matter in the hands of poorly trained, immature, power tripping young girls, (in far far too many cases), with no accountability outside of their own organization, will never work. For some strange reason, our elected officials have decided our rights are something granted to us, and can therefore be taken away. Our rights are inalienable, and not removable at government whims. It is about time they understood this. Having had per
with held 4/23/2010 12:06:36 PM - Report Abuse

Phillip, 15 people that aren't frightened to death to speak about whats happening, 15 people who aren't deflecting facts that have been proven in Ontario courts, 15 people who aren't facilitating child abuse by misleading the public, 15 people making a reasonable requests that an non-government organization be held accountable, 15 people taking the time to request criminal investigations.

Doesn't this 'rag-tag bunch' you so demandingly refer to human beings who've already prejudged by you without taking one minute out of your life to give a damn.

People fighting for transparency, oversight, justice and improvements over government agencies or private corporations like Children's Aid should be commended for their efforts and not shot down by people who refuse to let the public hear the truth. You make me sick.

If it wasn't for a family hear in Sudbury spending over $230,000 Mr Johnson and 40 others AND COUNTING would never have been vindicated from the crimes committed against them by Children's Aid. The list of so-called professionals or hired-guns that they hire like the recent Greg Carter of Whitby who is another that got exposed because a grand father had to quite his job to investigate Carter. Carter faked credentials and pretended to be a shrink and testified in cases to remove kids from their parents. Why should innocent people be forced to conduct criminal investigations of private corporations that have abducted children? we don't if its a biker gang that commit the very same crimes do we?

It took parents and children who were victimized by a local Children's Aid group home years and years to get it shut down because CAS and everyone else were ignoring complaints. The residential Schools and the 60's Scoop until recently were ignored. How many others do you feel should have to be abused before someone has the power to finally intervene?

Less that 47% of Children's Aid cases are substa
CASarebullies 4/23/2010 11:50:39 AM - Report Abuse

I would not call it an obscure case, the man was wrongfully accused...and it was proven in court..do you not know how to read, look it up. And for us people to choose to to rally for a cause that most people are unaware of because it seems to never hit the news when something tragic happens. Most people are unaware of what the CAS is doing until it happens to them. Or people are scared because they are threatened to keep it quiet. Do yourself a favour, search the internet for cases all over the world where a child is killed while in the care of foster parents. Check the stats on how many die every year, while in the care of the CAS. If you have a problem finding them, let me know and i'll will happily send you the links. We are just trying to let the public know what happens behind the closed doors at CAS. And we do know its the judges blah blah blah that make the final decision, but where do they get the info from...hello..CAS.. CAS is more then happy to give it to them, whether it is true or false information. Now you tell me, who is the judge going to believe, a parent trying to fight to get their child back or the CAS...ummm CAS because they have more MONEY. And in order for a parent to get a good lawyer they need to win the lotto, there are not many lawyers that will take the case because they are also scared of the CAS. I can go on forever if you would like but i will stop here. Like i stated earlier if you need help finding the information let me know.
me_554 4/23/2010 11:50:37 AM - Report Abuse

Mr Philip Morris It seems to me that you have never had dealing's with the C.A.S if you have you would understand what it is we are trying to do. The C.A.S comes to homes were their is absolutely no abuse in any shape or from.The agency continues to harasse good parents.If you where a Crown ward as a child the C.A.S will always be in your life until your children are 16. This is unfair and is harassment. This violates your Canadian rights to live in peace. 200 children have died in the care of the C.A.S last year alone. Who is being charged for those death's are they being investigated nope no one cares for the those deaths. The government needs to step in. The agency right now is not doing what is was meant for years ago. They are over stepping taking kids from good homes. I have seen kids that do get abused and the agency does nothing explain that. hummm oversight is what we need. We are not a group of RAG-TAG people. We are honest hard working people. I can only wish for your sake that you never have to deal with the agency. Only then will you understand our point of view.
newsudberry 4/23/2010 11:43:59 AM - Report Abuse

well, if I was wrongfully convicted of murder, I would consider it more than a personal agenda...and the story did not say the CAS convicted the guy from the Soo, it said they influenced one of the witnesses, which led to the conviction....and how many years was he in jail before the man was freed?.... one should not just judge "numbers" at a protest, as a barometer of the protest, as some people just like to protest, and others are paid to do so...
RallytilltheEnd 4/23/2010 10:50:25 AM - Report Abuse

bill88.ca is the website to visit for more information regarding rallies and the truth of children's aid.
Phillip Morris 4/23/2010 10:49:50 AM - Report Abuse

Wow! 15 people with signs. In a city with a population of over 165,000.
So desperate to find any story to bolster their point they have to ship in an obscure case from 17 years ago from the Sault?
Don't be mislead by this rag-tag bunch that have personal agendas against the CAS. Remember, it's the police and Crown that prosecute murder cases. The police investigate claims passed on to them by other agencies. They conduct their own, separate interviews of witnesses. Including children. The Courts weigh the culpability of a child as a witness before and during trial. A judge makes the ultimate decision on guilt. NOT THE CAS.

There are a lot of malcontent parents that have nothing left to do but deflect their shortfalls onto the authorities. The pitiful numbers at this ‘protest’ is a perfect barometer to measure that.
RallytilltheEnd 4/23/2010 10:49:14 AM - Report Abuse

We will be holding rallies monthly to raise awareness about the lack of oversight over the children's aid societies. Mr. William Mullins-Johnson is just one example of so many that have been wrongfully convicted. We thank him for attending our rally yesterday, and he will be more advocating work himself to raise awareness about the injustice he received. This is a serious issue and so many people are too scared to speak out about what the children's aid society has done and continues to do. The workers lie in court in order to extend their involvement; they themselves may or may not have committed the abuse, but they hand the children to people who are suppose to be there as apart of their system to protect the children, there are children in care being abused by the very system that is originally designed to protect them, they facilitate this to happen, so they are directly involved in the abuse. There were 109 children who died in care last year in Ontario alone. This number disgusts me and anyone else who knows about it. Even one is too many. Its time that they are investigated and its time that the children's aid society is stopped. This is nothing new either, the Children's Aid has a long history of abusing children. The sixties scoop, the residential schools, group homes being shut down because of neglect, the list just continues to grow, but because of their shrowd of secrecy, they operate anyhow. More awareness will help stop the travesties committed by this private non-government corporation.
South End 4/23/2010 10:04:17 AM - Report Abuse

I support this 100%. I am surprised there wasn't already some over-site.