Local 6500 to vote on contract from Vale July 7-8

Members of Local 6500 will vote on a new, five-year contract offer from Vale on July 7 and 8. The strike has been going on nearly a full year. File photo.

Members of Local 6500 will vote on a new, five-year contract offer from Vale on July 7 and 8. The strike has been going on nearly a full year. File photo.

Jul 04, 2010- 6:43 PM

By: Heidi Ulrichsen - Sudbury Northern Life Staff

UPDATED — July 5, 2:21 p.m.

Both Vale and Steelworkers Local 6500 are tight-lipped about details of a five-year tentative deal reached between the two parties July 4.

Union members will hear about the contract at membership and ratification meetings at the T.M. Davies Community Centre in Lively July 7 and 8.

Union stewards and health and safety representatives will be briefed on the contract July 7 at 11 a.m.

That afternoon, at 3 p.m., the first membership meeting will take place. Voting will take place between 4 and 6:30 p.m.

A second membership meeting will start at 7 p.m., and voting will take place between 8 and 10 p.m. The third and final membership meeting will take place July 8 at 11 a.m., and voting will take place between 12 and 6 p.m.

Members of Steelworkers Local 6200, which represents Vale workers in Port Colborne, Ont., will also vote on the contract July 8. Local 6200 bargains along with Local 6500. Both unions have been on strike since July 13, 2009.

Vale spokesperson Cory McPhee said he could not say much about the contract in advance of the ratification votes. The contract will not be posted on the company's website, www.valeinconegotiations.com.

Contract proposals were posted on the website twice in the past — just before the union members went on strike last year, and after another attempt at negotiations in March.

“I think in the past, when you've seen the contract posted, it's been more of a confrontational situation where we felt that aspects of the deal were perhaps being misrepresented,” he said.

“In this case, we do have a tentative agreement. The proper protocol is to allow the members to see it first.”

McPhee said the two parties agreed to a five-year contract, instead of the usual three-year contract, to ensure more certainty for both Vale and its employees. Local 6500 president John Fera said he would not reveal details of the tentative deal before the membership meetings later this week, even refusing to comment on the fact that the parties had agreed to a five-year contract.

The tentative deal came about after mediated negotiations between the two parties in June. On June 29, mediator Kevin Burkett announced he was terminating mediation because the two parties were deadlocked on one remaining issue.

The two sides had agreed to allow the fate of nine strikers fired by Vale during the labour dispute to be dealt with by the Ontario Labour Relations Board as part of the union's bargaining in bad faith complaint.However, lawyers from both sides could not agree on how the issue should be submitted to the labour board.

After Burkett's announcement, Ontario Labour Minister Peter Fonseca intervened, meeting with the two parties July 2.
 

With the assistance of another mediator, Reg Pearson, the company and union went back to the table over the weekend, and announced during the late afternoon of July 4 that they'd come to a resolution.

Reaction was swift from both Greater Sudbury Mayor John Rodriguez and Sudbury MPP Rick Bartolucci after they heard about the tentative agreement.

Bartolucci, who has remained neutral throughout the strike, stating that taking sides would put him in contravention of the Members' Integrity Act, a law governing the conduct of MPPs, said he was thankful the two parties had “returned to the table at the advice of the McGuinty government.”

“All involved deserve a great deal of credit,” he said. “It is now time for our community to heal and once again reach its fullest potential.”

Greater Sudbury Mayor John Rodriguez said the deal was “the news we have all been waiting for.”

“I am relieved that the intense negotiations that took place over the past weeks have resulted in a deal that the union bargaining team feels they can recommend to their membership,” Rodriguez said.

Fera said Fonseca's intervention was “very, very important. It certainly sent a message to both parties that the government understood how big these hurdles were, and how difficult it was to get over these hurdles. He came in and intervened, and helped both sides get to a tentative agreement.”

The labour board will hold a hearing dealing with the matter of the nine fired employees July 9.

Fera said he's confident the labour board hearing will go the union's way. When asked if the union will continue with the rest of its bargaining in bad faith complaint, he said “We'll be talking to our members about that.”

McPhee said Vale is hopeful the tentative deal will be ratified, “but we can never presume the results of the vote. That's up to the individual employees.”

When asked how the nearly year-long strike, which McPhee admits has been a “long road,” has impacted the company's finances, he said he couldn't give any exact figures.

“Obviously, whenever a company is affected by a strike, it's never good for the company's bottom line,” he said. “We prefer to be in normal operations, and hopefully this is the first step towards getting back to normal operations.”

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76 Comments

  • Don't ask us to trott out the $44 million loss in the last 1/4 you worked in the old deal.
    Nickel floated between $5-$7 a pound.
    ZERO would have cost Vale tens of millions to operate your workplace as a charity for 6500.

  • Let me remind you,the workers asked for ZERO.and were offered even LESS.Please tell me what you would have said of the union,had they capitulated to that

  • Hate unions? No, no, no.
    A strong distain for the leaders purposely misleading members for their own agendas. Then the weak minded drinking the Kool Aid and repeating the drivel. Actually beleving their own propaganda. Long enough to bankrupt members. Lose $100,000 in wages. Broken families. Busted mortgages. Community respect gone.
    Our "agenda" all along was to warn you of what was going on. What the USWofA was really up to. Yet you ignored the issues. Deflected from global economic reality. Chose to ignore the truth tellers and then insult them when backed into a corner.
    Ultimatley, you got what bed you made. And a healthy dose of "I told you so" from the masses.

    Insult all you want. Deny to the end. Reality is you were used and made fools of. Where is the public ranting by your leaders? Where is their proud solidarity stance now? Where IS Leo?
    You Picked the Wrong Town? You picked the wrong union? One Day Longer? Vale Go Home? Bring Vale to its Knees? No Concessions means NO Concessions!

    Any of those sound familliar.
    One Day Too Long. One Strike Proved Wrong.

  • Look,Filly,give it up.Everyone on the site knows you HATE unions.The workers could have gotten the moon,and you would still have criticized Gerard and Fera.

    We ALL know your agenda........give it up for God's sake

  • The Globe & Mail reports that:
    -A boost in the defined benefit pension plan earnings. However, NEW HIRES will sign on to a new defined contribution plan
    -Nickel Bonus "trigger price” of $3.75 capped at 25 per cent of wages.
    -Cutting 113 positions
    -Both sides have also agreed to drop all lawsuits that have come up since the strike began July 13, 2009.

    Well, for a union that said "No CONCESSIONS", they collapsed. And for protecting the Naughty 9, they've thrown 113 under the bus.
    This deal is basically the SAME FAIR DEAL offered twice.

    Try and spin it Leo. (Where are you?) Bottom line is this was One Day Too Long, One Strike Proved Wrong. - 12 months for NOTHING!
    Bravo Vale **slow hard clapping** Well played indeed!

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/vale-concessions-include-pension-changes-tighter-bonuses/article1632066/

  • Lets review Deluh.
    3000 on strike. 10,000 retirees.
    The rallies could barely get a few hundred to show up. That is a clear barometer that the union not only couldn't get its own rank-and-file to attend, they could NOT convince a couple family members, neighbours, friends, or concerned community members to attend.
    Where were the tens of thousands that Leo, Fera, and Fraser predicted would clog the streets?
    You and the union types spewed that this chosen work action divided families. Created rifts. Now you deny it?
    Oh, gawd. The Deluh Dance again?
    Deflect deny. Ignore and then insult.

    Bottom line is you can't ignore the lost wages, seniority, support and respect.
    One Day Too Long. One Strike Proved Wrong.
    WHERES LEO?

  • Just curious,Philly,where do you come up with the strikers 'losing friends',losing respect',losing support'?

    Are you sure you are not looking in the mirror?

  • voting the same offer a year ago ? after all the global tours ?
    what have the leaders been doing for workers ?
    these greedy people deserve no respect... they should be fired!!!!

    very stupid and ego recommendation....

  • At the end of the day, 6500's individuals will have to slither home and crunch the numbers themselves. Weigh the last fair deals against a year of lost wages. Lost friends. Lost community support and respect. Lost seniority. Years tacked onto mortgages. Toys sold on ebay and classifieds. Trauma that was all self-inflicted.

    Its been 12 months for nothing.

    Meanwhile where is Leo? Where has Foster Brook’s look-a-like gone? Since the failed blockades, he hasn’t been around. His legacy wasn’t a Global Union. It’s now the ruin and ridicule of his flagship local. Layoffs are coming. A change of the guard is at hand with a near mutiny inside 6500 that forced them to recommend this offer.

    Remember boys, Vale has photos, video and reports of what you did. They know who the troublemakers were. Your old workplace won’t be fun anymore. Gone are looking the other way while naps are taken, tools disappear, workers leave early/show up late, and production is fibbed about. EVERYONE will be under watch. By the very security and staff you threw insults at and threatened. Malcontents and trouble makers will be weeded out. The strike taught the union who was boss. Balaclavas and hiding in a mob won’t work inside the mines and plants.

  • seriously_7:
    Do you see what I mean now...
    So you might as well have some fun with them...
    And when they berate and insult you,think of it as a compliment,it just means you are getting to them...
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    Dance little puppets...Dance...
    LOL...

  • seriously_7:
    Anyone who reads some of the inane drivel that some posters spew on here know it's just that...
    I don't think anyone would take any of this seriously, But I could imagine them shaking their heads in disbelief...
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    Me, on the other hand, I'm under the opinion that it is afi posting most of these insults and rumors...
    Think about,that's their job...
    And vale has spared no expense in acquiring the services of these professional Union Busters , these professional agitators and they do exactly what their name implies, and this afi company makes a small fortune doing this…
    Although it is kind of funny:4 afi sitting in their van, all snuggled around a laptop "Giggling" like little schoolgirls, trying to come up with an intelligent or witty response, and / or berating anyone with a view that doesn't coincide with theirs…
    .
    After reading some of their posts it’s also quite evident that a high school English credit isn't a prerequisite to work for this afi…

  • Purplereign, I am in Alberta working to provide for my wife and children and they are here with me. When I say family I mean my parents, brothers and sister, nephews and nieces, grandparents etc. are in Sudbury not my wife and children. I believe my family and I made the best choice to move away and get a job elsewhere since there are no good job opportunities there for me currently. I am not bragging about getting honours I am simply saying that miners are not too stupid to get a grade 12 education. As matter of fact I worked with many miners that had College diplomas and University degrees. Like me they chose to mine for the money and I am pretty sure we all go to work for the money… Delaware I realize these people like to stir the pot but a lot of people who don't understand what is going on read this and only see there side. I realize that i am biased because of my circumstances but if someone would like to comment on something worth while I would be open to debate.

  • Must we all Suffer The Slings and Arrows of these outrageous blogs :o)
    That is the question :o)
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    yepper :o)

  • spanky,
    You can't spell either. It's a good thing you don't need to spell in order to keep your job at Vale.

  • The fact that one of my main points in what I said earlier was that people come on here to say negative comments. A point you people have proven in your juvenile comments. I had several points on my last comment and all you noticed was 2 written mistakes. I also did not capitalize my "I"s and the beginning of my sentences. I also left out a few commas. I also said "Many of people" instead of "Many of the people" if you want the editorial point of view. I hope this comment is up to your standards now and I am sure that my writing in this comment is at least at a 6th grade level. Now if there are any people out there who would like to comment on a point in something I have said please feel free to do so. Furthermore PURPLEREIGN if you are going to make a comment on a simple mistake make sure there are none in your comment. When I went to school I don't recall an entire course in spelling it is a part of the English course, not a course in it's self. NORTHERN GUY since when is calling people down a fact. Here is a fact I find interesting. Every time I read one of your comments you put a negative spin on it. If that picture in the corner is actually you, I don't blame you for being so negative and rude. I'm sure I would try to find a way to make myself feel better too.

  • All they do is get off posting comments and pissing off ppl.

  • HAHA,my vote will be NO!!!

  • seriously_7,
    When you brag you received honours all throughout school and then have obvious spelling mistakes in your post, I couldn't resist teasing you.

    When I went to school, Spelling was a subject that was separate from English.

    You sound like a very arrogant person so don't be surprised when people point out obvious mistakes in your spelling.

    Most people that I know of who got honours in school, don't have to brag about it.

    I guess you don't have much family in Sudbury. If you did you would care about not spending very much time with them instead of making a lot of money.

    I know I am not going to change your mind about anything. You seem to be the type who thinks you are right all the time and everybody else is wrong. I feel sorry that you care about money more than your family.

  • "Seriously7'........dont waste your time with these people.The same little group have combined to send not hundreds,but THOUSANDS of emails,oops,posts........dont want the bashers to criticize me again............over the past year.

    There is NO doubt they all have little secret agenda's for doing this.If Usw would have accepted the original offer a year ago,they would have been criticized for 'caving in'.Now that they went out on strike..........they are stupid,greedy,blah,blah

    All you have to do is study their comments............and you will have no problem figuring out the people you are dealing with

  • The fact that one of my main points in what I said earlier was that people come on here to say negative comments. A point you people have proven in your juvenile comments. I had several points on my last comment and all you noticed was 2 written mistakes. I also did not capitalize my "I"s and the beginning of my sentences. I also left out a few commas. I also said "Many of people" instead of "Many of the people" if you want the editorial point of view. I hope this comment is up to your standards now and I am sure that my writing in this comment is at least at a 6th grade level. Now if there are any people out there who would like to comment on a point in something I have said please feel free to do so. Furthermore PURPLEREIGN if you are going to make a comment on a simple mistake make sure there are none in your comment. When I went to school I don't recall an entire course in spelling it is a part of the English course, not a course in it's self. NORTHERN GUY since when is calling people down a fact. Here is a fact I find interesting. Every time I read one of your comments you put a negative spin on it. If that picture in the corner is actually you, I don't blame you for being so negative and rude. I'm sure I would try to find a way to make myself feel better too.

  • Simply unbelievable!!!!?????

  • The fact that one of my main points in what I said earlier was that people come on here to say negative comments. A point you people have proven in your juvenile comments. I had several points on my last comment and all you noticed was 2 written mistakes. I also did not capitalize my "I"s and the beginning of my sentences. I also left out a few commas. I also said "Many of people" instead of "Many of the people" if you want the editorial point of view. I hope this comment is up to your standards now and I am sure that my writing in this comment is at least at a 6th grade level. Now if there are any people out there who would like to comment on a point in something I have said please feel free to do so. Furthermore PURPLEREIGN if you are going to make a comment on a simple mistake make sure there are none in your comment. When I went to school I don't recall an entire course in spelling it is a part of the English course, not a course in it's self. NORTHERN GUY since when is calling people down a fact. Here is a fact I find interesting. Every time I read one of your comments you put a negative spin on it. If that picture in the corner is actually you, I don't blame you for being so negative and rude. I'm sure I would try to find a way to make myself feel better too.

  • Not everyone is as lucky as you camoman, able to live in their Mom's basement gratis

  • I've been talking to a lot of people and most say if this offer is not a FAIR DEAL they will vote NO...
    I'm thinking the same , I think the 4th or 5th offer will be much better...
    This offer ain't a done deal yet...
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    And I got no problem holding my line for another year, or two...

  • Sorry to say Camoman
    that's what Fera and the Fools will have you voting on. The bigger pension payout and the 27 yr payout and the company letter re contractor equipment were never presented before.

  • I had to read that offer post again...
    That's the offer from the spring...
    Good one...CHUM...
    LOL...
    If you would have added a few more "KEY" issues you "might" have got a few people on board...
    LOL...

  • noof... That's hilarious...
    Where did you get that from...
    LOL...
    What about the fired 9...
    What about the BFB...
    If you are going to post something like that, at least make it sound believable...
    LOL...

  • This is posted elsewhere as the terms of the agreement:
    5 year deal

    .90 cents over 5 years

    $2000 signing bonus

    30 years and retiring get $30,000

    27 bridge to 30 get full pension and $15,000

    cola rolled in to wages

    $3.75 trigger on the bonus with a 25% cap based on regular wages (does not include overtime, etc.)

    DC pension agreed too

    Purchase of equipment for contractors, Company sends union a letter

    2 stage grievance procedure.

    140 layoff's from operations (not sure where and might not happen if enough people don't return)

    possible hiring of maintenance people, company is not sure how many will not come back to Vale. I figure about 200 maintenance (HDEM, Millwright, Electricians) will not return from the strike.

    After almost 12 months, this is what Fera and the Fools got you!!!

  • seriously_7.... what you perceive as negative comments, others perceive as statement of facts. Like the fact that you write like a fifth-grader and I call your b.s.
    Colleges in Canada don't hand out 'degrees'... they're called diplomas. I doubt that you ever went to high school, let alone graduate from college... that night class in macramé you took at Cambrian doesn't make you a 'collage' graduate.

  • check it out!

    http://wsws.org/articles/2010/jul2010/vale-j05.shtml

  • seriously_7,
    If you got honours all throughout school, I guess spelling wasn't one of the courses you got honours in. College is spelled c-o-l-l-e-g-e instead of c-o-l-l-a-g-e.

  • Doesn't matter whats in the offer Wednesday, the mighty union leadership is telling you to accept it, and like good little monkies you will do what your told.

  • Although some of the cheap shots and barbs, amuse me...

  • If you or anyone else come on here to find truth...
    Well...Trust me , this is the wrong medium to find it...
    Most of the posts on here are just plain "malarkey"(think about it, people posting whats in this offer, when no one really knows) , and as for me I just try to be "facetious", most of the time...
    Trust me... Everyone WILL know what is in this offer by Wed. afternoon and by Fri. we will know if it was excepted or not...This is FACT...Everything else is just plain hear say...

  • @ camoman
    Vale stopped the expansion plans and Leo's dream of heading a global union dead in their tracks right here in Leo's home town.
    Leo's dream of stopping the dwindling membership of the USW of A by unionizing emerging nation workers of multi national companies has gone up in smoke.

    Shake the wrinkles out of your cheap suit camoman and wear it to the funeral for Local 6500 as a meaningful and relavent organization. Maybe you could have Big Bird and the death puppet there too.

  • i am very curious as to why so many people feel the need to negatively comment on another persons job and choices. last time i checked it was my choice and i go to work for 1 thing and thats the MONEY as i am sure you all do. If they want to take away all the things i went there for in the first place why would i go back, i am currently working out of town and make good money so i am in no rush for a fair deal however i would prefer to go back to sudbury because my family and friends are there. As for calling down the 6500 and basically calling them all stupid how childish, i happen to be a 6500 member i had honours all through out school and i have a collage degree however sitting at a desk doing paper work was just not for me... Many of people writing on here have said that this strike is for nothing and we are just losing money. Well i have under 5 years with Vale Inco and currently they are saying if they plan to lay off and how many. so if i were to vote yes and get laid off i would not benefit at all, right now i have the chance to wait and see if they will tell us before we sign into something. I honestly believe Vale is going to try and lay off a large number of 6500 members and hire contractors since contractors is what they want not because they are better workers but because they have no union and vale will have more control and can pay even less, when there is no work they can send the contractors home without pay, unlike the 6500 members, which is no good For canada.

  • I believe that, rather than take a "break the union" stand, Vale wanted to run their company, and had to show the union who was boss. They had to have seen what this Union was like. They must be aware (for sure by now) of just what these workers are like. I hope the workers smarten up, and vote in new executives for leadership, these guys (Fera, Fraser, Girard) are living in the dark ages.
    I could care less about the government stepping in (labour board).
    The union took this stand, have caused untold damage (to their members)because of it, have alienated the public and have not likely gained anything by it.
    Furthermore, I think working at Vale will be much more challenging than it was prior to the strike. Workers will be monitored more closely.

  • "..vale didn’t foresee the strength and the cohesiveness of the Canadian people… "
    Still trying to wrap your greedy, myopic strike in the Canadian flag? Convenient patriotisim indeed. Notice how Sudburians stayed away in droves at the 6500 rallies? The USWofA are the ones that overestimated their value. Counted on the population to back them. It totally backfired as the community is suffering from recession based job losses and huge wage cuts. With 3000 strikers and 10,000 retirees, they could barely muster a few hundred at protests. Even family and close friends didn't support them.

    "...a strike that was a calculated and premeditated plan to do one thing and one thing only; and that was to break a union, to break a people..."
    How's that possible? When Vale made 3 THREE contract offers? Participated in bargaining? If the strike was as you said it was, then Vale would have never made any offers. Including THE CURRENT ONE!
    This idea of yours is still pure union rhetoric. Designed to give a sense of accomplishment in a lost battle. I'm sure General Custer told his men they were accomplishing SOMETHING at one point too.

    Face the truth canNOman, 6500's losses will grossly outwiegh anything they get at the end of the day. Your leadership in Pittsburgh mislead you all along. All for the ambition of a failed Global Union and the legacy of Leo in Pittsburgh.
    Strike during a recession? Brilliant strategy.

  • bigriver==Not insults,,just the truth...There is a saying...the truth hurts sometimes..thats all...........

  • Nothing like getting your last kicks in hey northside and phillip morris, eh! It's time to pack up your kit bag of insults and move along to the next struggle of the working men and women of this country. B'bye!

  • Nice to see Bartolucci speak out and have his government take credit for ending the strike............CONSIDERING WE NEVER HEARD FROM HIM FOR THE PAST SIX MONTHS

  • camoman==Oh yes,,you guys folded like a cheap suit..what else did you expect by going on strike when the economy was in the dumps..Gawd, you guys will never learn.......

  • Inco will be a much different workplace IF the deal is accepted.
    ======I noticed that you put capital letters on the word "IF",do you really think they will be stupid enough to turn this down?..Should I even ask after seeing what they have done over the past year,,tire slashing,,painting cars,,beating up joggers and the list goes on........

  • WOW... "PM" With all your inside info that you are spewing, I'm starting to think you are on the negotiating team...LOL...(I got no problem holding my line for another year or two)
    vale figured that 6500 would fold like a cheap suit… vale didn’t foresee the strength and the cohesiveness of the Canadian people…
    I’m under the opinion that for all the money that vale spent on this unnecessary strike, on a strike that was a calculated and premeditated plan to do one thing and one thing only; and that was to break a union, to break a people… vale could have doubled what was in the last CBA, and still showed a profit…
    But a lot of people don’t realize all the costs that can’t be put on paper…The cost of moral, the cost of deep animosity and malevolence, plus the cost of employee involvement…
    These are costs that this vale will continue pay for a very long time to come…
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    What a waste… What a total waste…
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    I think this month of July will be very interesting,...
    A lot of the court cases are coming up this month…
    And it will be very interesting to see Who was Misrepresenting Whom…

  • Well said philip morris,,I just hope the leaders and radicals read your post..Too bad the innocent have had to suffer through this waste of time strike and there is no other way to describe it than a waste of time...Wouldn't you figure these union guys would know better..After all of this they will feel better knowing they brought Vale to their knees.....

  • Fera and the hard core will try and salvage a 'victory' speech out of this. The rhetoric, criminal behaviour, insults, and intimidation will NOT be forgotten by the company or community.
    It's gonna be REAL uncomfortable for the Steelworkers to slither back into work and pretend nothing happended.

    Vale has photos and video of the trouble makers. They know who to watch. Inco will be a much different workplace IF the deal is accepted.
    Gone are the days of looking the other way when someone leaves early, takes a screwdriver, naps, or fibs about production.
    6500 will be told to perform a 180, play nice and act like men. A tough order to fill.

  • They know Phil. They KNOW!
    Let's hope they vote to return to work.

  • 12 months for nothing. Lost wages. Mortages with years added. Deep debts. Lost community support and respect. Lawsuits still pending. Fired workers. Marriages broken. Families split. All from union egos.
    When the dust settles, and the rank-and-file weigh this contract against the previous deals AND what they've lost, it will be abundantly clear. 6500 chose the wrong time to strike. (Where is Leo?)
    An unprecidented 5-year lock in with plenty of grip from Vale.
    The Big 3 issues were resloved. Look to see: - Bonus Capped with a $2.50 starting point. - Mobility restricted to once every 36 months. -The pension plan frozen for current members with new hires to be included. HOWEVER, 6500 conceeded that there will be attrition and job cuts during the agreement. Contractors WILL be now driving drifts and developing stopes/ore faces. Work once done by Steelworkers. (Meaning the new pension taken off the table has been shifted to contract workers. Bottom line is Vale still doesn't pay 'new hires' pensions)
    There will be the pitance back-to-work signing bounus. Look at the $3000-$5000 range. COLA is still in tact. There will be a cut in Health and Safety members.
    Dont forget folks, 2020 took a different deal. Their precident is out there for the next bargaining down the road.
    No matter the spin put on this, Fera, Fraser, and Gerard has damaged 6500 beyond repair in this community. The misdirection and misinformation they spewed has put the local on the brink of muntiny.
    One Day Too Long, One Strike Proved Wrong.

  • I just heard a 6500 member on the radio say he is going to say NO to the deal ==== typical 6500 union crap,,maybe these radicals should be off work for another year untill their spirit was completely broken...Just lucky that most members don't think this way................

  • So the members aren't going to be briefed on the contract until 3:00 p.m. July 5th. And the terms have been kept confidential thus far, yet I just heard a 6500 member on the radio say he is going to say NO to the deal. Hmmmm, makes you wonder how some people think. Hasn't heard the details, yet he has it already set how he is going to vote. I hope the majority listens before they decide. I hope they end this thing tomorrow.

  • I know that Vale has mentioned trimming the fat and keeping only productive employees several times. Does that go for staff also?? They are so top heavy in management it is ridiculous! I think they need to review staff and their salaries if they want to keep operations viable!!!!

  • Maximus - the union is thanking the government because they are the ones that brought both sides back together last week to broker a deal. They were about to walk away from the table again but were called back.

  • I will be going to the membership info meetings...
    I will get a copy of the offer, read it, read it again, and if need be read it a third time...
    And when I go to vote , it will be with my eyes wide open...
    I will vote with my head...
    Not my wallet...

  • camoman: I say it was probably requested by union leaders. And could also be a sign of respect to both union heads and members.

  • All concessions were removed except for the bonus restructure in the March offer.

    Significant pension gains, marginal wages and cola rollin were all gains over the expired contract(rollin was lateral).

    The final offer will be the "fair" offer we asked for all along and Vale has so craftily denied us.

    Friday will detail or decision and details. Then we can comment with precision.

  • Vale has no need to post the offer because the union has already cried 'uncle' and is recommending acceptance of all concessions... Vale wins, union loses.

  • I WONDER WHY vale is not going to post the offer on their web site, like they did in the past, for all to see???
    Do you think it could be that vale figures that their smear campaign should be scaled down a little, or even shut right down altogether???
    Or do you think it could be just plainly out of respect to the 6500s members???
    Hmmmmmmmmm...
    It’s definitely food for thought...

  • Not me Delaware,,family have because you union guys cannot see reality if it was looking you in the face..Well..for the next 5 years you will know what reality is..Then,,you can go on strike and do it all over again..Hope you are proud to be a steelworker and lose like you have lost this time and if Leo is around in 5 years you can do it again for him,,just for old times sake....

  • Can't wait to hear the union spin on what a "victory" this is? Ought to be hilarious: Look what we got you, they'll say....and how they took it to "the man" LOL LOL

  • Is that your problem,Northside......YOU were put out of work because of the strike??.Is that why you have been whining for a year?

    Thank god,we wont have to listen to that anymore.

  • I told you a year ago this strike was wrong timing (recession)..Now you guys are going back for what you could have had a year ago without the lost wages ,,homes,,marriages,,cars,,..Will the strike happy 6500 guys ever learn..Well in 5 years we will find out..My money will be on strike in 5 yrs...The only respect I have is for the ones that voted to accept the 1st. offer (which is what you are getting now)..The rest a big thumbs down..I also hope you guys are proud of all the people you put out of work in other related industries because of your stupid idiotic strike.....

  • Where's Phil's two cents.
    A year of union busting back lip.

    Time to head back to work...or back to sleep in the lunchroom and making puppies like the good ole days.
    Time to let recent school grads a chance to get a job now all 6500 SCABs go back to Vale.

  • A five year contract will surely have some positive impact on Sudbury real estate market.

  • I would have say it's a good time for the members to consider there future and that of their familys... Stay off the blogs and take hard hard look......

  • BIG if... this is settled, you union brain-surgeons should have bronze statues made of the three stooges, as well as the Grim Reaper and Big Bird... put them up in the parking lot on Brady.

  • Hey Smith, if I worked for Vale, and I don't, I would collect my paycheck from the company that bought them out. The best thing that could happen is for a Company from a less hard line domineering country to purchase Vale. Vale getting out of Dodge would be the best thing that could happen to Sudbury right now.

  • Valle gets what it wants, 6500 takes concessions....and now the union is thanking the politicians? Whats wrong with this picture? Guess it wont be long before Valle thanks the government too.

  • I am hearing rumors and nothing more than rumors of lunch room overhauls....fridges and stoves removed...only a microwave and lights put on timers to shut off after break over. wonder what other changes they might have made there?

  • There were more than a few doctored diplomas submitted Seamus. I know of a couple so there must be lots...names erased and changed...copies bought on the net etc etc.
    A copy of a diploma and passing the scat-dat test got you a job at Inco in the recent years.
    Prior to that it was less stringent.

  • "This kinda shows you how the USW was able to control the membership doesn't it?"
    That's not what really bothers me.
    How in hell did the education system ever give this guy a grade XII diploma? (That is a requirement is it not?)
    Or was it the only way to get rid of him?

  • @ Seamus
    This kinda shows you how the USW was able to control the membership doesn't it?

    To 6500 Members
    Vote to accept. Accept whatever job is given to you. Enjoy the luxury of a regular paycheck again. Don't believe the union when they say they're going to take care of you.
    Like it or not Vale is signing your cheque and you owe them 40 hours a week to earn that.

  • 6500 conceded the pension and nickel bonus cap issues, so they basically have been out of work an entire year for absolutely nothing but wounded pride. And now they will recommend a deal to its members that it had spit on last summer, and pretend they did a great service to the members of 6500.

  • Great news for the workers and the city.

    Woodstock ... what is your problem?

  • I wonder how close this contract is to the original one proposed by Vale before this strike began?

    I'm willing to bet it is quite similar.

  • Idiotic comment........you lost a YEAR of $$ for what?

    And what if Vale did leave, where would you collect a paycheck?

  • Glad to see this is finaly ending.Best of luck to all.

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