'It's not what we wanted'

Two Steelworkers Local 6500 members get their first look at a tentative deal between their union and Vale at a membership meeting at the T.M. Davies Arena in Lively July 7. Photo by Heidi Ulrichsen.

Two Steelworkers Local 6500 members get their first look at a tentative deal between their union and Vale at a membership meeting at the T.M. Davies Arena in Lively July 7. Photo by Heidi Ulrichsen.

Jul 07, 2010- 6:30 PM

Local 6500 members vote on tentative deal

By: Heidi Ulrichsen - Sudbury Northern Life Staff

UPDATED July 8 at 8:17 a.m.

Many Steelworkers Local 6500 members voiced their disappointment with a tentative deal reached between their union and Vale last weekend as they exited the T.M. Davies Arena in Lively July 7.

Some called out “Where's the burning barrel?” referring to the last time they voted on a contract — last March — when a fire barrel was set up outside the Caruso Club for union members to burn their contracts.

Hundreds of vehicles were parked at the arena's parking lot and in surrounding streets as Local 6500 members got their first chance to hear about the tentative deal. Those going to the meeting even caused a traffic jam stretching from Regional Road 55 all the way to the arena.

After the 3 p.m. meeting, strikers voted on the contract between 4 and 6:30 p.m. A second membership meeting will start at 7 p.m., and voting will take place between 8 and 10 p.m.

The third and final membership meeting will take place July 8 at 11 a.m., and voting will take place between 12 and 6 p.m.

Members of Steelworkers Local 6200, which represents Vale workers in Port Colborne, Ont., will also vote on the contract July 8. Local 6200 bargains along with Local 6500. Both unions have been on strike since July 13, 2009.

Northern Life acquired a copy of the contract highlights provided by the union at the 3 p.m. July 7 meeting.

If the contract is ratified, there will now be a defined contribution pension plan for new hires. However, the plan now includes a long-term disability plan that pays the same amount as the defined benefit plan long-term disability plan.

For those on the defined benefit pension plan, there will be an increase of $150 to $3,450 a month.

The nickel bonus will have a $3.75 trigger, reduced from $5 in a previous offer, and an introduction of a 25 per cent cap on all straight-time hours worked.

There will be a 90 cent wage increase over five years, a cost of living allowance with a roll-in of 28 cents on the date of ratification, and an annual roll-in until June 1, 2014.

The deal also includes a retirement incentive offer of $30,000 for those with 30 or more years, and $15,00 for 27 or more years.

The return to work bonus is $2,000 for all returning and retiring employees, $1,000 if production is at 70 per cent for 42 days within six months of ratification, $1,000 if production is at 95 per cent for 42 days within six months of ratification.

As well, employees will return to work within six weeks of contract ratification, and all lawsuits will be dropped.

Strike pay will continue to be paid until the strikers return to work. The document said there are "113 excess positions" within the company, but it is hoped that this will be reduced to zero through retirements.

There is also a clause stating that employees must have three years' continuous service to apply for a request to transfer, and employees can only transfer once every two years.

The contract highlights document also contains a message from the union's bargaining team.

“It is our elected duty to bargain the most we can and to be honest with each of you,” one section of the message reads.

“At this time, your bargaining committee feels that this is the very best we could achieve without further extension of the strike. After a year, we have made improvements and protected some key parts of our collective agreement.”

Most of the union members exiting the meeting refused to speak with members of the media, some stating that they feared their jobs would be in jeopardy if they did.

Mike O'Brien, who works at Coleman Mine, did agree to an interview with Northern Life.

“It's not what we wanted,” he said. “I think that after a year, our bargaining committee does not think that we're going to get a better contract.”

O'Brien said he would vote against the contract. When asked to make a prediction about whether the contract would be ratified or not, he said it was too close to call.

He said Local 6500 members are “taking hits on everything except benefits. It's real hard on families, including my family and all the membership. I don't think anyone could understand until they've gone through it themselves.”

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44 Comments

  • Look Delladoo
    You asked the question of me and I answered you.

    If you don't like the answer, you shouldn't have asked the question. Are you off your meds again?

  • What a great twist you put on things,Noof/Phil.You have spent a year insulting,taunting,and belittling the workers for fighting to protect some of their hard earned gains............and now try to make yourself look like Mother Theresa.

    Hey,you may impress your bar buddies...........but NOT the rest of us

  • Hey Deladoo
    How bout just the last 12 months.
    I didn't go to the food bank except to donate.
    I didn't go to the Brady Street USW Hall except to donate
    I didn't assault anyone or threaten anyone or call them names ......well.....you on here doesn't count
    I didn't litter the downtown with signs and coffee cups
    I didn't defraud the EI system out of money
    I didn't add to the burden of the welfare system
    I donated $ and items to a number of charities
    I didn't miss a day's work
    I didn't get played for a fool by someone with a hidden agenda

    just a pretty average year for a good citizen

  • Hey,Phil/noof..........feel free to inform us of all YOUR great accomplishments in your life.And,btw,being on the pc 24/7 insulting people,DOESNT count

  • "She"s discovered the delete button too PM..

    I find it amusing but very difficult to understand these people who are still vocally supporting the union leadership.
    Many have focussed their anger on the fired member of the N.C., blaming him for taking control of the committee and dominating poor John Fera.
    They seem to forget that JF is the one who stood up and blatantly lied to them and it was John Fera who was quoted when he announced the results of the election and referred to the alternate workers as saying "They better all be gone when we get back!"

    Neither he nor the USW seem to learn.

  • noofie,

    Take Ms.Del's lame insults as a trophy of her frustration. Public ridicule for a year on strike for nothing has taken it's toll. The issues ignored came full circle and bit them in the collective (agreement) behinds.

    One YEAR too long. One Strike Proved Wrong.

  • Does that mean YOU are one of the great 'intellectuals' of the world,Noofie??

    Strange,i didnt think those kind of people spent their leisure time on computers taunting and insulting their fellow human beings

  • "It's funny how Kratos624 thinks he knows the workings of the Surface Plant" where a lot of "da brudders" work. Sneaking in & out late is a trick even he could master.

    Strange how little people know about the operations of Vale yet feel qualified to post on this blog what they hope to pass for intelligent criticism.

  • Still trying to make yourself feel better Deluh?

    Its OVER. "I told you so" is tough to digest. The majority of Sudburians knew it all along.

    I'll take your lame insult as a trophy of your frustration.

    One YEAR too long. One Strike Proved Wrong.

  • "Sneaking in and out'Hmm.......every time i hear the word 'sneaky',i think of you,Phil

  • Sneaking in and out has been done for years Krat. Surface workers often do it then expect it as normal work proceedure. Late boys for the first cage, get covered up by maitenance trips. Catching a ride later on. Eventually they get caught.

    You've seen it. Probably a master at slacking off and napping. Proud of the tool set you have. BUT, those days are gone. Time to work for a master that reigned in a lost local. Now the REAL training begins,eh?

    Don't be upset. Its only 5 years until the next contract talks. What are you willing to give up then?

  • Especially staff that do not make their "productivity targets”…

    .
    1 staff for 1.5 hourly…
    Think about it…

  • Anyone can be replaced!

  • Get me a tissue!!..........you brought it on yourselves!...6500 was talking strike 6 months before the last contract ended ( In a middle of a recession) and Vale still gave Fera another 2 months,......And as far as Phil not knowing about underground work, everyone can be replaced,..Miner, doc, Lawyer's, and even the Prime minister,..6500 was only 1.677% of the population, It isn't like it use to be! the Leader's of 6500 couldn't play a Trump card, And hold this town hostage!

  • It's funny how Phil thinks he knows the workings of the Underground. It's kind of hard to sneak in late with a cage that runs once in the morning on a man-run. Please Phil, tell me how you just 'sneak' underground and start your shift? I would like to hear that one. Jealousy will only get you so far, and you crossed that line about 8 months ago.

    That's the facts folks.

  • Like I've said before...
    The true cost of a strike, is one that CANNOT be put on a ledger...
    The cost of moral, the cost of deep animosity and malevolence, plus the cost of employee involvement and a self motivated drive…
    These are costs that this vale will pay for a very long time to come…
    .
    What a waste… What a total waste…

  • It took Inco the better part of a half century to achieve a high level of employee involvement, a self motivated drive , that set and broke records for production...
    .
    So again...2200 bitter people( I wonder how many of these people will go over and above the call of duty, like they did before this unnecessary strike, to make staff shine or look good)…
    .
    So vale can be sustainable in all business cycles……..
    :o)

  • I find it strange that when I was at the dump earlier today, there wasn't a single crow in sight

  • I predict that this offer will go through, albeit not by a large margin…
    Vale succeeded in “STARVING” a lot of people into submission…
    Now, when we go back, the exact number of hourly employees is yet unknown, but I’m guesstimating that number at around 2200…
    Before this labour dispute started vale bulked up on staff, because they knew that they can / and will force a strike… So, the number of staff for the Sudbury operations sits at 1400…If my math is correct, that puts 1 staff for approximately 1.5 hourly…
    Hmmmmmm…
    .
    1400 staff that “HAVE” to get their "productivity targets” out the door…
    .
    2200 bitter people( I wonder how many of these people will go over and above the call of duty, like they did before this unnecessary strike, to make staff shine or look good)…
    .
    I think it will be quite interesting inside vales compound in the next while…
    I know I’ll have a “SMILE” on my face…
    .
    So vale can be sustainable in all business cycles……..
    :o)

  • GEEEEZZZZ!!!...I thought 6500 was going to bring Vale to there Knee's!!?????.....I guess Leo And Fera are happy that they can take off there Knee Pad's!!........6500 Hero's are Zero's!!!...LOL!!!!!!....I hope that you all learned something all this!....LOL!!!!!

  • Well r-5, you are correct.
    6500 won't repeat this mistake. Vale, the master, has trained the dog, not the other way around.
    Akin to swatting a misbehaving mut with a rolled up newspaper, when the next set of talks happen (waaaaaaaaay in the future), Vale will rattle the paper. Sending the union scurrying for cover.
    Pay attention die-hard unionists/socialists. You can't win every battle. You can't ignore and deflect the reality of Global Economics. Don't overestimate your value and automatically assume people will back your greed.
    Get back to work boys. Its going to be 5 long years of learing who's really the boss.

  • well,one year of frustration, broke, pissed off for no reason............ i guessed, the company won this time....... "congratulation for vale" i have no feeling for usw at all........ they deserve everything brought on them. i am glad to see the resurt turn out as this moment...
    well,usw should learn this past stupid experienced, so they don't repeat next one...........

  • Yep, you neurosurgeons sure brought Vale to their knees. lol
    You deserve what you get. Now you have five years to save up for the next strike. lol

  • Well today will tell all. At least we got Vale to stop saying "accept it' and we will talk. We broke their take it or leave it stance and now they can't claim to be the "almighty" any more.

    Too bad for Vale that they destroyed the workforce they had which had a long established self guiding initiative to get Nickel out the door. Vale used that self motivated drive, which INCO developed through employee empowerment, to get record production out Sudbury for the first three years they owned us. At over 250 million lbs of Nickel I think now that the self directed initiative is gone Vale will have a hard time meeting low cycle targets. We shalll see in 2011 if they even achieve the 200 million lb mark.

    So sad that the first line supervisors which depended so much on those same workers to get "the job" done will now find themselves falling short of their own "productivity targets" and losing out on their personal bonus and pay scale increases.

    Vale really missed the boat on maintaining an "empowered and engaged" workforce destroying decades of development of that system.

  • Where's the burning barrel?
    That IS gold!

    One Day Too Long, One Strike Proved Wrong.

    The worst part of this self-imposed suffering strike, is the members of 6500 hearing, "I told you so" from the majority of Sudburians.
    Funny how the "NO CONCESSIONS!" and "We'll bring Vale to its knees!" has died out?
    "We'll leave NO man behind!" - Now they'll take 110+ laid off? Way to roll over Steelworkers!

    So, this is how it ends boys and girls. Not with a triumhant victory, but a wimper.
    It'll be entertaining to watch the unionists tuck tail and walk head down back to work. All the while, Vale closely watching each one. No more sneaking in late, leaving early. No more 'borrowing' tools. Naptime is over so is mediocre work.
    One last prediction:
    Fera will quietly retire, taking his bonus. Leo will not be seen or heard for months. Fraser will sneak around and work on playing with other unions contracts. CIBC and now 6500 BOTH part of his doing.
    Look at what the CAW got. Time to think about kicking the USWof AMERICA out and bring in a non-foreign union?
    Well played Vale.

  • Well vale is in for a surprise when the contract gets settled, they will have lost a lot of key employees and are also offering early retirement, ha,ha better keep your scabs close at hand vale.

  • Some of use a book to comment right? Do you pass it around to the "newbies" because it sounds like rhetoric from months ago...LOL

    Thanks for the entertainment, I'll miss it, honestly!!

  • So what was the July offer?

    no wages, no pension, no cola, bigger bonus restrictions, no signing bonus, no production target bonus, DC pension with no details and no LTD or post retirement benefits, sketchy language etc etc.

    Man I guess we get what the original offer was huh? (sarcasm again) LOL

  • Hmmmm...
    Pension increase of 250 bucks over 5 years
    Base rate increase of $0.90 over 5 years.
    COLA roll in estimated at $1.28 over 5 years (1.5% inflation)
    Bonus retained with max payout of $15,288.00 at average base rate.
    Pension incentives raised to $30,000.00 and $15,000.00.
    $2000.00 return to work bonus.
    $2000.00 production target bonus.
    Unprecedented ability to transfer to Manitoba or Southern Ontario if laid off. (Layoffs most likely not required)
    Significant language improvements and maternity and other benefit improvements
    9 fired given their day in court. Professionally estimated all will return to work.

    Man we got it bad huh? (Sarcasm for the less inclined)

    A Yes vote is predicted (by me) but probably won't be strong.

    Now for the other "wins' we got.

    A European Union and our Union alliance signed in writing.
    A Native Union alliance and history making by having a Native Union flag hanging in our Hall. Our Flag in theirs.
    An international "awakening" by Unions, Governments and workers to Vale and their practices.
    A building of international Labour from almost every continent representing more than 160,000,000 workers.
    And so on....

    Yup...it's great to be 6500!!

    What number are you? 1? Must be lonely!!

  • Mike O'Brian???????24 months ago, when he was working for a living at McNally in the S. End Tunnel, his dream was to get a job on a forklift underground at Vale Inco.
    He's the next Leo Gerard.......coasted through 2 years of employment at (Inco)Vale and slipped into the Steelworkers executive.

  • Whats that,Mike.........'we were right'?????? Didnt realize you were a ceo at Vale.Boy,some people sure are full of themselves

  • I hope that the union members vote to go back to work at Vale.If they vote against going back to work then,I have no respect for them.O'Brien is not very smart.He likes to be on strike instead of voting to go back to work.What he says does not make much sense.

  • strike a year for nothing ? really stupid strike!!!

    If this is not what you want, look for job somewhere else... shame on you!!!

  • Don't be stupid. Vote for the contract.

  • I would have triggered the Nickel bonus at 8.00 a pound.

  • Vale's not done teaching the brudders... the spankings will continue. lol

  • On top of that I can't believe that Vale conceded that much to you. You did good I wouldn't have been so generous. Back to work gents.

  • I was down at the Beef and Bird in Sudbury on the patio tonight. There was three tables of Vale strikers soon to be workers. I quietly listened to them. I have never heard such a dumb bunch of people. I think I need to move out of this town.

  • I think its time for Leo and Fraser to take there pension...give them a $20000 pension offer to go...now the union dues will go up the USW business (american) need to bulk up there bank accounts for the next fight in the Sault.

  • What a deal eh boyz... and you didn't even have to fill the jails with your women. lol
    Leo must be proud.

  • no consessions? one day longer? Oopsy Daisy.

    Now go sign your contract like your masters said to, and go back to work. You were wrong, we were right all along.

  • Kratos624 said "Somebody has it out for Leo and Fera. Must be a sour subject to someone losing out on a race somewhere?"
    Take your pick...12 months from July '09 or 4 months from March '10....You damn betcha that's a sour subject.

    Obviously Kratos is one of the 9 trying to defend his cost to his brudders.

  • it's not what we wanted..lol..i'm sure $200 a week is what you really want.

    What a waste of a year. When this is all said and done...GET A NEW UNION!

  • I see that that some of the union activist are saying that Nobody's choice is "stupid" or "wrong". It's just a choice. The same person that was calling the USW 2020 members the ultimate scabs for signing the best contract that local 2020 (6600) had since 1991....now there are going to see what we have known for months.. Sorry the really pill is hard to swallow. I lost some friend on this when I told one striker (ex friend's) wife..that the Union was leading there members to the cliff like the buffalo...we just knew better. The membership new better.

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