Vale employees facing ‘negativity, scare tactics’

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Jul 30, 2010- 3:53 PM

By: Heidi Ulrichsen - Sudbury Northern Life Staff

The way Alex Patterson sees it, Vale was unable to “break the union” during the nearly year-long labour dispute with Steelworkers Local 6500, so now the company is trying to exclude the union from its Sudbury plants instead.

Patterson, who has worked as an operator at Clarabelle Mill since 1997, said from what he heard at the orientation sessions, it seems that workers are being discouraged from bringing issues to their union stewards.

Workers are being told they should bring any issues to their supervisors, he said.

In the past, the company and the union worked together to resolve many different workplace problems, he said.

“It seems like (Vale) wants to have a regimented formula going forward, where they’ve kind of pushed aside the union,” Patterson said. He was one of several Vale workers Northern Life spoke to at the union’s Pine Street office July 29.

“That’s what I’ve seen at the sessions I’ve been at. They’re saying ‘If you have an issue, go to your immediate supervisor.’ There’s no involving the (union) steward. If the griever wants a steward, he’s going to have to make sure he asks for that and the collective agreement provides for that.”

When contacted by Northern Life about the issue, Vale spokesperson Steve Ball said in an e-mail that “what returning employees are being reminded of is that if there are any workplace concerns, their first point of contact is always with their immediate supervisor.

“The (union) has a role to play. We understand that. Though, in the context given, it is our obligation to see if we can resolve the issue first.”

It seems like (Vale) wants to have a regimented formula going forward, where they’ve kind of pushed aside the union.

JAlex Patterson,
operator at Clarabelle Mill

Patterson said that, from what he’s heard about the eight-and-a-half month long labour dispute between Local 6500 and Inco Ltd. in 1978-79, it took some time to rebuild the relationship between the two parties.

He said he expects that to be the case after this strike as well. However, Vale isn’t helping things with its attitude towards the workers, Patterson said.

“It’s a lot of negativity, a lot of scare tactics, a lot of ‘fall into line,’ and ‘this is the way we expect you to behave, or these are the consequences,’” he said.

“Some of our people have lost everything as a result of somebody going in and doing their work. You can’t expect that to just stop, day one, without hard feelings.”

One young worker, who did not want to be named, said he’d only worked 11 months with Vale before the strike, and narrowly missed being laid off by the company.

Union leaders said they were told by Vale during negotiations that 113 positions would be eliminated, although the company maintains that was never a final number.

The union had hoped to offset any layoffs through members who had quit or who have taken retirement packages.

However, despite the 150 workers who have quit or taken retirement packages, Vale confirmed last week that 18 workers have been laid off.

“How petty is that?” the young worker asked. “Eighteen guys — they couldn’t find work for those guys?

Ridiculous. You can see the lies the company told us in bargaining. You can really see what our bargaining committee had to deal with.”

The worker, who will resume work at Copper Cliff North Mine Aug. 11, said he was also told to go to his supervisor with issues instead of to the union.

“They don’t want to get the union involved in anything, if they can help it,” he said. “The union-busting continues, even when we’re inside the plant. I would encourage guys to file as many grievances as possible.”

He said he thinks that in time, Vale is going to realize it has to work with the union and “that some of these policies they’re trying to implement with the workers are not going to work.”

One middle-aged worker, who did not want his name or even the specific Vale plant he works in revealed, gave his own description of the company’s orientation sessions.

“We were encouraged to ask questions and stuff like that, but if you asked a question they didn’t like, they hauled you aside and threatened to kick you out,” he said.

“I’m serious. There’s more of ‘we did so well without you, but don’t take offence to it. We have to make these changes, because we’re a company that’s not making money.’ Nobody believes that kind of stuff.”

He said there was also some mention about the company’s harassment policies regarding union members who crossed the picket lines during the strike.

In the return-to-work agreement signed by the union and the company following the end of the labour dispute, both parties agreed that nobody would be intimidated or threatened because of what had happened during the strike.

“Is there going to be some hard feelings? Yeah,” he said.

“Are people going to do their jobs? Of course.”

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40 Comments

  • Hey wackoman
    Wanna bet your vision of the Local 6500 member at work doesn't last longer than 4 - 6 months?
    When they get an understanding of the new Vale "Point System" available to both NUS and US, I'm betting they'll be lined up to offer suggestions and ideas......leaving the likes of you, if you were ever fortunate enough to be hired by Vale in the lunchroom looking for the benches...to collect on the year end bonuses.

  • ju1ce :
    You CAN'T be REPLACED for doing what you are told to do...
    All the worker has to do is show up to work on time,do EXACTLY what you boss tells you to do(no more, no less),be polite, and go home when your boss says it's OK...
    PIECE OF CAKE...
    As for doing "crappy work", that's one thing I NEVER learned how to do...But... Those days of me telling the boss that what he is asking is wrong and then showing him the right way to do it are long gone,Or breaking SAFETY LAWS so the task will go quicker,NEVER Again...vales new rules state that the boss KNOWS ALL and the worker MUST do EXACTLY what he is told to do, with NO back talk...
    .
    I wonder how long it will take vale to realize that a lot of bosses(Not all but a lot) don't know their job, and have relied on the worker in the past to "Get the job done" for him, and make him "Look Good"???
    I think it is going to be ENTERTAINING to say the least, to watch these bosses DO or at least try to do their job for a change...
    You have to remember that all those production records that we broke and set again, were made because of "EMPLOYEE INVOLVEMENT",all the boss had to do was stay out of your way and the worker would make him SHINE like a star...
    So now all I have to do is politely ask the boss what he wants me to do and how he wants me to do it and I will comply, and when he asks me for my INPUT politely say "I DON'T KNOW" and would like and appreciate him to show or teach me the way he wants it done...
    ...OH... and have the "MOL" on speed dial when we catch them(and we will) DOING ILLEGAL ACTS just so they can be profitable in all business cycles...LOL...
    .

    SMILE AND WAVE, PEOPLE, SMILE AND WAVE
    And enjoy the GONG Show...

  • Canoman,

    The problem you guys still don't recognize with the resolution of the strike is that if you make your jobs worse you'll just be replaced. If there is one thing this strike should of taught you at this point is that Vale is willing to keep you guys out.

    You aren't helping yourselves at all if you do crappy work.

  • Keep going in deep denial canoman. The hollow rhetoric is all you got left.

    You know that Vale has taken all your toys away. They expect....no, DEMAND you follow the rules. The very ones you pretend will slow things down.
    The supervisors will be watching you all like hawks. They WANT you to 'work to rule'. That means you, will be actually w-o-r-k-i-n-g your entire shift. Again, your leaders and own myopic thinking is doing what your masters want you to.

    Nap time is gone. Playtime on the computers is over. Leaving early is finished.
    6500 played themselves right into Vale's plans and chose to strike. Right after you guys worked through the shutdown of 2008. Making huge profits for the division before the market crashed. The plants and mines had a maintenance shutdown just before your strike. The place was then mothballed for the strike and reduction of the stockpile. One you guys made. Your revisionist memory coping mechanism is failing you publicly now.

    Talk all the trash you want. Bottom line is that the company has made it abundantly clear, that dissention will not be tolerated. Keep digging. (Both figuratively and in reality) The personal hell you've created is locked in for 5 more years.Unless you get laid off...........

  • If vale is ready to Start up by Sept. let alone run, I will be amazed...
    Man this place is in shambles...
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    Questions
    With a returning work force that is filled with Deep animosity and malevolence towards vale and staff alike, do you think they will work harder, after all the workers Know how bad shape the place is in since staff and SCABS ran it for the past year...
    And the fact that staff are looking to make a few examples, so the workers will fear them(LOL), does anyone know the term "WORK TO RULE"(They can't fire you if you are doing what your told right, you don't have to help staff, they know it all anyway...right...LOL)...
    Pay back is... well you know...
    Is REVENGE a dish best served cold???
    .
    This will be nothing short of interesting...
    This will be better than watching those tv reality shows...
    As for me, I'm just going to "Smile and Wave" and watch the Gong show...

  • HHAHAAHAHHAHA little puppets.......ask anyone who's back at work how well they've "streamlined" the operation!From what I've been told the place is a disaster even after the highly competent staff and "replacement" workers had a year to whip it into shape!!!!

  • Wel canoman, lets tell the ENTRIE truth with the sour grapes you've posted.
    -You gave up nearly $100,000 in earnings.
    -Lost a year in seniority.
    -A lost year in your LIFE. (You can't put a price on that)
    -The union lost respect and crediblity in the community.
    -The Bonus was capped and workers will never reach the absurd payouts again. (No long run will compare to what you once had and believed you were owed)
    -Years tacked onto your mortgage for missed payments
    -Toys sold off on ebay and classifieds.
    -5 years, locked in with an average 18 cents a year raise.
    -Supervisors have been granted proper powers to discipline, right there on the spot.
    -The tv sets, internet, couches, hotplates, DVD players, mini-fridges, and radios have all been removed.
    -No more coming in late or leaving early because the task is done. They'll find work for you.
    -A strict no harassment policy. Imagine having to bite your die-hard tongue and keep your head down for the next 5 years? All while your overseers witness your personal hell.
    -A union that was near mutiny.

    Yup, you sure came out ahead. Don't forget, 6500 charged that Vale was planning to cut the workforce by 1/3 in their leaked 5-Year Plan. That the layoff Sword of Damocles hangs above the rank-and-file. You included.

    The "I told you so" majority citizens of this city still get a chuckle out of the pig-headed ones that still believe the misdirection from your brass. Leo is long gone, and Fera quit.
    Denial is a terrible way canoman to live. But, if it helps you cope.......

  • The actual idea that a union steward would do word is beautiful. Patterson and his co-horts want grievances so they don't have to work and can just do paperwork. Keep clean and act like um business men in jeans. Make them work VALE.

  • I have worked at a company with a union for over 12 years and have filed one grievance. I take everything to my supervisor first, and he figures it out. There are, however, people I work with that file a grievance every other week. Lets just say the upper management isn't in a hurry to resolve their problems and after a while they just become a pain in the butt, and no one, not even the union takes their complaints seriously.

  • Work place harassment is a 2 way street...
    Staff can be charged TOO...
    Know your rights people, and always have witnesses and notes(Notes can be used in court)...
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    .
    .
    Lets see...
    I'm getting more per hour...
    Signing bonus...
    More in my pension...
    A nickle bonus that will probably pay out more in the long run..
    And a bunch of bosses trying to be nice so we will perform and make them look good so they get to keep their jobs...
    (These guys are a little apprehensive right now, to say the least)...
    This is better than watching those tv reality shows...LOL...

  • 'I dont pay for my Northern Life'.........Of course not,Phil,i wouldnt expect any different from you.Its ALWAYS the freeloaders who accuse OTHER people of being lazy or overpaid.

    Your comment speaks VOLUMES

  • @ Noofie, I see your point but I like the idea of these stories..It gives the union idiots and diehards a chance to see how much support they have in the community...According to the remarks on here they have zero support except for themselves,, which dosen't count...Also I guess it is a little revenge to the handfull of trouble makers that have caused so much trouble in town and remind them what idiots they are for destroying private property.......

  • To Patterson,

    if you are not happy with your job or company, why not you just quit and stop being a trouble maker ? OR you do not get what you want and you are not happy ?

    wake up idiot, this is not your company or your union's company, is a business!!!!!! I am sure Vale shareholders do not mind not to have you!!!

  • 99gt, the irony is how the goons and die-hards insulted and intimidated common folks. The cowards hid behind ski-masks, used vulgar language, and engaged in acts of vandalism. (We've all seen the YouTube video)
    Now, after threatening to bring their hated company to its knees, swearing to stay out as long as it takes, and No Concessions means NO, they are going back to work.
    Heads hung down, tails firmly tucked between their legs, they now have to actually work. – That’s good stuff.

    Muttering under their breath, they are now sentenced to 5 years Fair Pay for Fair Work. No longer protected by gang mentality or a mask.
    Yup, noofie, they got nothing left but the tired old rhetoric they had during the strike. Unfortunately, some media outlets are still catering to their false propaganda. (By the way, I don't pay for my NL and it's dropped off on my front steps)

  • To Northern Life Editor
    In my opionion, this article is irresponsible reporting and sensationalism journalism bordering on those "newspapers" bought at the supermarket check out.

    How you can continue to report the opinions of these union lackies without presenting a counter opinion is beyond me. If it weren't for the CTC flyer thats included in your Thursday issue of your paper, I'd cancel my subscription.

  • beautifully said 99gt!! bang on!

  • Here's a thought...if you don't like it find a job elsewhere. If you think you can do better WTF is holding you back?!?

    Oh that's right, Vale, isn't really all that bad after all. Just a bunch of cry babies.

  • you tell em jaw,, I been saying the same thing for a year,,Vale pays the wages..I get the feeling listening to the cry babies on here that they think the union is controlling operations..you know,,all they got to do is go to work,,put in their shift,,go home and enjoy the rest of the day with their family..Forget the union unless they have been done wrong by..Most workers will go thru their careers at Vale and never put in a grievance,,but there are a few that live by the union creed and grieve for the sake of grieving..Where I worked it was a handful of workers that were like this and gave everyone else a bad name,,just like this past strike,,a handfull were the cause of this trouble..Live and now learn.......................

  • Ahem, mr Patterson, newsflash.
    This is how companies run in the real world. You know, where they are in charge, not the union.
    Culture adjustment is a bithch.

  • “It seems like (Vale) wants to have a regimented formula going forward, where they’ve kind of pushed aside the union,” Patterson said.


    Mr. Patterson, there's a name for that kind of thing. It's called strong leadership and the Ontario operations is finally going see some!

  • I know..why don't you strike about it...oh wait.........

  • “Some of our people have lost everything as a result of somebody going in and doing their work. You can’t expect that to just stop, day one, without hard feelings.”====Vale expects that and it will happen Mr patterson,,,one thing you have to remember is that the guys voted to go on strike during a recession and the law states that a company can use replacement workers and they did..What did you expect,,they would bow down to the steelworkers union like INCO did..The sad part about all of this is that they gave in to the USW before they were completely broken...Too bad,,but with the leader that is running things now is not likely to help matters much with that confrontational attitude of his...Should be interesting times ahead.........

  • Northern Life seem desparate for filler to "print" this story.
    This Patterson typifies a unionist attitude that lead to the situation which allowed the USW to take Local 6500 out on a, to say the least, ill advised strike.

    Vale should make sure that they are aware of his attitude and suggest some changes be made to it. If he wants to run to the union, let him run to Fera and the Fools and see how much remaining influence they have.

  • Quit spewing union rhetoric and lies, we had enough of that during the strike! You can put the union 'spin' on it all you want, bottom line is that these policies have been around for years. This time they are going to be enforced, gravy train is over. I was at the sessions too and I didn't come out feeling that the company wants the union pushed aside. They simply said if you have an issue related to your work then your first contact is your supervisor. What's so complex about that! That's how most places operate. I am not going to see the steward for any simple day-to-day matter when it can be easily resolved between the two of us. It burns me how the media always interviews these union brudders, it makes the rest of us decent hard workers look like fools.

  • The Company wants to improve the relationship between supervision and the employee. Maybe they aren't going about it in the right way but they want the relationship to get better.

    The Company doesn't want to waste valuable time attending meetings to discuss 5000 grievances in the next 3 years like they did in the last 3 years.

    Local 6500 is a very confratational union and that is not going to change any time soon. Many of them have vowed to work to rule. Some people in the union are going to try to see how far they can push the envelope without getting fired. It is going to be a nasty place to work.

  • “Some of our people have lost everything as a result of somebody going in and doing their work. You can’t expect that to just stop, day one, without hard feelings.”

    I'm sorry but that is exactly the expectation. Any baggage you have left over stays at the door. You're expected to now work efficiently and follow Vale's new guidlines for productivity and behaviour. The extent to which you can or cannot do that will determine your future viability with this company.

  • "Remember Patterson was named in the SS as one of the 3 involved in the beating of the jogger during the strike"
    I believe it was Jason and not Alex Patterson that was charged. But who knows what alias might have been used.
    Whatever happened to the court case involving those three goons anyway?

  • Remember Patterson was named in the SS as one of the 3 involved in the beating of the jogger during the strike. He's on full damage control here.
    Vale is running its operations. Not the union. The sense of entitlement still persists with some die-hard, out-of-touch unionists. - "“Eighteen guys — they couldn’t find work for those guys?"- Again, the union EXPECTS the company to do things for them. Workfare?

    18 workers out of work. Guess what? There's MORE going soon. 6500 had that 'leaked Vale document' that had discussions about cutting the workforce by nearly 1/3. So important was that memo that Leo and company held it out as proof Vale was Bargaining In Bad Faith! - So they play that 113, or 18 is a surprise?
    Vale, like any other company want's its supervisors on the floor to know exactly when a problem arises. That's the chain of command ANYWHERE! Tell your boss, if you don't get what you think is a proper or safe answer, THEN go to the union.
    Look at your paystub USWofA. That says "VALE" at the top. Not Pittsuburgh USWofA.
    The party is over boys. Naptime, sneaking in and out early, and minimal work for max pay is gone.
    Time to earn your pay.

  • “It seems like (Vale) wants to have a regimented formula going forward, where they’ve kind of pushed aside the union,”====Exactly the way it should be Mr. Patterson,,,not the union paying your wages,,IT'S VALE,,just live with it and be happy you got a job,,A lot of people are not as lucky as you to be working and making the money that Vale pays,,By the way before you say it,,I am not jealous,,nothing to be jealous of as I worked all my life and am quite satisfied where I am in life....What gets me is the cry baby attitude of you guys that figure you are so hard done by....Just go to work,,shut up,,do your job,,go home and enjoy the rest of your day...........And Batman/RobertHood....you should do the same,,union stewards like yourself are not the center of Vales attention........

  • An employee should discuss any issues or problems with their supervisor. To the USW brain trust, this is quite a novel idea, eh? Oh, and stop those "scare tactics" Vale - imagine that, an employee actually following standard business practice and procedures, by talking to a supervisor to resolve a problem or issue.

  • We have almost always spoken with the boss first. It's about how Vale is presenting the whole matter.

    They are showing arrogance and iron fist attitudes which does nothing but breed animosity in the work place.

    This is the beginning to the end of a long and bitter labour dispute. There certainly is going to be some growing pains. This is just part of that.

  • Go to the fox when chickens are missing?

  • This guy's gotta' be kidding, right?? It makes complete sense to bring issues to a supervisor - that's how organizations work (at least successful, healthy ones) - which is why this would be a completely foreign concept to the USW geniuses. It's as simple as "who do you work for?" "who pays your wages?"
    You don't work for the USW (although they think they own you), and the USW doesn't pay your wages. Who else but a USW Vale worker would find it strange to have to report to a supervisor?

  • totally agree with Vale on this one.

    In a professional work force, you always goto your supervisor to attempt to rectify situations first.

    Unions are for those who cry about anything and everything then gives them the right to halt production and walk off the job if they are being babies.

    Unions = Waste of Time. Period.

  • I don't see what is wrong with going to your immediate supervisor first instead of going behind their backs to cry to a union rep...maybe the complaint is something that can be fixed without the union. Maybe they need to document the complaint too so that the company is aware of what is going on..
    Some people (workers) are upset and will do all they can to cause havoc once they get back to work, i've read it here and in the SS. They plan on doing as little as possible just for payback. Vale is the EMPLOYER...they run the show and rightfully should..this is their company and they should be allowed to run it as they see fit. As an employee, you can't tell your employer how and what to do...if this is the way you want to work, quit and open up your own shop. Whatever changes are being made will piss a lot of people off because they don't like change but once you get into the new swing of things, you might find that it's not so bad.

  • Imaging a company that wants to manage their assets and their employees. This union is still out of touch.

  • One more point I would like to make is,,think back to when you got hired by your employer and how happy you were to have a job there,,,nothing has changed from then untill now except that the union has poisioned your way of thinking about your employer..you now have the attitude of self entitlement which comes from union brainwashing..Not only talking about Vale or INCO before but all unions in general.........

  • ". I would encourage guys to file as many grievances as possible."===Isn't that some of the problems to begin with before this strike started,,4000+ in last 3 yr. contract,,,Good for Vale to try to by pass the union,,no need for a grievance if a matter can be settled by immediate supervisor,,Get on with life you guys,,a days work for a days pay,,quite simple actually,,shift over,,go home and enjoy life with your family,,Get over the fact that you think your union is calling the shots,,not anymore and the sooner you realize that the easier life will be........................

  • I don't see what is wrong with going to your immediate supervisor first instead of going behind their backs to cry to a union rep...maybe the complaint is something that can be fixed without the union. Maybe they need to document the complaint too so that the company is aware of what is going on..
    Some people (workers) are upset and will do all they can to cause havoc once they get back to work, i've read it here and in the SS. They plan on doing as little as possible just for payback. Vale is the EMPLOYER...they run the show and rightfully should..this is their company and they should be allowed to run it as they see fit. As an employee, you can't tell your employer how and what to do...if this is the way you want to work, quit and open up your own shop. Whatever changes are being made will piss a lot of people off because they don't like change but once you get into the new swing of things, you might find that it's not so bad.

  • I have a good idea to improve relations. Fire every Patterson that works at Vale. And yea of course Vale is going to discipline you for calling people scabs.

    One union guy I talked to yesterday just informed me that one replacement worker is now his boss.

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