Dowling residents claim traffic damages homes

Aug 27, 2010- 8:51 AM

By: Bill Bradley - Sudbury Northern Life

A group of Dowling residents say heavy traffic on Hwy. 144 is causing damage to their nearby homes.

“I just had my basement repaired three weeks ago,” Al Weiman, a Dowling resident, said.

“It cost me $14,000 (including landscaping outside). I had it done before in 1996. That cost me almost as much.”

The retired miner bought his house in 1966. But by 1990, he noticed the deterioration of the roadway, along with an increase in heavy truck traffic.

Trucks were getting much larger, with longer trailers. The road surface was affected, and as it deteriorated, it meant his house foundation was under more pressure from the traffic vibrations, Weiman claimed.

In 1996, he had to pay close to $14,000 to repair cracks in his basement walls and purchase new windows. His front door would pop open by itself, sometimes when he was away.

He found his neighbours had some of the same problems.

“I launched a petition, and had 64 home owners sign on. All said they were having damage to their homes.

Highway 144 in Dowling was improved in 1997, and this seemed to help reduce the vibrations affecting his home.

But recently, the truck traffic has escalated, and the damage to his basement walls and house is happening again, he said.

Weiman has complained to the Ontario Ministry of Transportation (MTO) and more recently contacted the mayor's office to express his frustrations with the truck traffic. He said he has met with his city councillor, Claude Berthiaume, a number of times.

Al Weiman and his neighbours have been blaming heavy truck traffic on Hwy. 144 (Main Street) beside their homes and the province for damages to their homes. Photo by Marg Seregelyi.

Al Weiman and his neighbours have been blaming heavy truck traffic on Hwy. 144 (Main Street) beside their homes and the province for damages to their homes. Photo by Marg Seregelyi.

Truck cabs have been hauling two trailers behind them, increasing the strain on the roadway, he claimed.

Claire Paquette, Weiman's neighbour, said she took out a loan of $15,000 to pay for the cracking of basement wall in 1996. Now new damage is beginning.

“In two places the cracking of the walls has begun again on the east and west sides where the cracks appeared before,” she said. She said she can see through the crack on the east side of her basement wall.

She also blames the increased heavy truck traffic.

“I see more traffic and trucks on the road.”

Lorrie Scharf, who lives on Douglas Crescent behind Weiman, said when she first moved to her home 12 years ago, the dishes in her China cabinet would move when trucks went by.

“About 10 years ago, they repaved the road,” Scharf said. “That helped.”

But in the last two years, she has noticed more trucks going by, and now her dishes in her China cabinet are rattling again.

“I counted 15 big trucks going by in about 10 minutes,” she said, referring to the time it took to do an interview with Northern Life. “That is a lot of trucks.”

Weiman said he would appreciate it if the province could compensate him and other homeowners who have suffered damages.

 

Planning stages

The Ontario Ministry of Transportation has launched a planning study for Hwy. 144 to improve traffic operations, Gordan Rennie, regional issues adviser, northeastern region, said.

A 27 km bypass is being considered from just south of Chelmsford to north of Dowling as an option.

“The driving factor (behind the study) is the existing high volume of traffic through Chelmsford and Dowling,” Rennie said in an e-mail Aug. 18.

“Traffic volumes are also expected to increase in the future, including truck traffic from mining operations,” he said. “This could lead to safety concerns and further operational issues.”

But Carol Ann Coupal, a Dowling resident and former deputy mayor with the Onaping Falls Council for nine years, said a bypass could take 20 years to build and would affect businesses along the existing highway.

She said the road through Dowling needs work now to prevent damage to homes beside the highway.

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21 Comments

  • So, WHERE's the engineering reports people?

    What are you hiding?

  • People in Dowling were complaining about vibrations from the trucks 16 years ago. I remember one foreman at Falconbridge got the explosives company to set up a vibration monitor (seismograph) in his basement to record the vibrations. After a week the explosives guy looked at the data and figured the vibrations from kids slamming the door upstairs when they were leaving the house caused more vibrations than were coming from the highway.
    I could supply names but not on here

  • Consider the photo of Weiman.
    Don't discount that stomping around inside a 60 year old home doesn't have some bearing on the structural integrity.

    So, WHERE IS YOUR ENGINEERING REPORT folks? Prove your claim with real facts!

    What they are really looking for is free repairs and landscaping for their old homes. And a traffic free road as a bonus.

  • I agree with Phil, oldman an 99, It seem's as if joy is green with envy...Jealousy is a ugly emotion!....Maybe it's a way for joy to deal with her own success!..Grow up!

  • Good point, Oldman. There are way too many factors to just start pointing the finger at heavy trucks or the HWY itself.

    Maybe a shady contractor didn't fix the house properly 13-14 years ago?

  • To joy_3. If you know so much about the Dowling area you would know that Bill Day lives on this Main St. to. I do not see any complaints from him and his house is older than Weimans and has never had the basement repaired. If weiman had the repairs done properly and maybe removed clay from around his home it may have lasted. The water table is also very shallow in this area so dont blame it all on traffic. I would also be careful what you say about Mr. Day/family it might come back to bite you.

  • So joy is upset that someone has built a family business and employed his kin?
    Not to mention the money generated into the community for purchase and maintenance of his fleet. The workers he employs and the cash stays local.

    Of course joy was anti-Vale (anti-corporation) through the strike .Yet she now detests a local success story? No real substance to her hate and mudslinging. That tells a lot. Perhaps a family member was fired or didn’t get hired by that company? Something is beneath her biased and unsupported hate directed at one family and their business……..

  • top gun is right at least bill pays for all his family, including cousins and nephews to work for him, it is called all in the family. Put Bill Day and Sons (all 5 sons with grade 8 education-ranging from 40 to 50 yr as manager LOL) on notice. Get a lawyer and sue all this family clan of nobodies except you will have to weed through all their cousins driving their trucks without high school credentials causing havoc in Dowling and all of Sudbury. I don't employ but hats off to the Jerry Springer employees LOL of Sudbury.

  • joy_3, First it's pizza and now it's trucking. Well your a wing nut pure and simple. Day employees alot of people. How many do you employ?

  • Bottom line that these complainers have purposely avoided:

    -- "Why haven't they presented an engineering report on their homes?????" --

    Regardless of your position on the article Wieman and his NIMBY neighbors are for one thing only. And that's to reduce traffic flow. They purchased land next to a main artery road. Same as living next to an airport, your location was your choice. And now your homes are getting old and falling apart. Time to blame someone else and get free repairs and hopefully a quiet road as a bonus? - Laughable.

    They are playing fast and loose with the 'facts' people. It’s plain to see. Not one of them should be taken seriously until they provide and independent engineering report that would support their emotional based claims.
    Far fetched accusations that if believed would affect traffic flow for all Sudburians and companies. This entire claim is a fiasco.

  • Sorry to disapoint you motorboat but i do not live on a highway. "You have to be insane to live on a highway like this and as such you ha" Maybe you could transfer this into plain english... if possible.
    I was thinking that you and Phillip Morris are the same person... both arrogant and self opinionated!

  • Traffic congestion is a totally different matter, the MTO does monitoring on this highway all the time...little boxes with wire stretched across road....I drive this highway almost every second day, and personally dont find congestion a problem, however that doesnt mean that it is not congested. If the studies from MTO ever indicate any congestion then 4 laning or a bypass would then be required, but I would have to guess as it stands right now, that the population of dowling or the rate of traffic would not constitute a project of this magnitude.

  • Cont...I agree that the house this man lives in is old, however, the highway is becoming congested to the point that it is only a matter of time before a life is taken for simply crossing the street to go to the grocery store. There are no walk way, no stop lights, nothing to ease the congestion. The taxes for these people went up and the services sunk. For Carol Ann Coupal to claim it would hurt Dowling businesses to have a bypass is crap. There would be a ramp leaving the bypass to go into Dowling. I guess she doesn't think of that. This man should have to pay for his own maintenance, yes, the house is old, however, he is bringing to light a very crucial problem. And that needs to be taken care of!

  • It is interesting to see how many people are so against the idea that a Dowling citizen wants something done to offset the problem that keeps growing. When this man bought his house, the highway was there yes, however, it was not as busy as it is today. It was worth the slight noise polution at the time. There were alot less houses in Dowling and the mall is central. So, why not? That is exactly what this man, and many others did years ago, they bought a house that was close to some ammentities and yet had privacy. Now, there are more houses and the highway is much busier. It is taking it's toll on the residents that live there. And there is one very simple factor in this: These people pay taxes to the Greater City of Sudbury, and want to have a solution to the problem that they live with. There are many people that have posted here indicating that they shouldn't have to bear the costs of fixing the problem; well what if it was in the central part of Sudbury? Would it matter then to you? Not one dime of the taxes paid by Dowling residents was spent in Dowling. All of it went to repairs in Sudbury. Ask any resident of Dowling to show you their tax bill and you will see that not one penny is spent in the area in which these people live. The vast majority of Sudbury citizens wanted algalmation, well you got it! Now you have the nerve to say that you don't want to waste money in an area you don't live in! How do you think the residents of Dowling feel? The vast majority of Dowling voted against algalmation. Their voices did not matter. I support their fight to have something done about the growing problem with the highway that runs right through the middle of this little but vibrant community. Their hard earned tax paying dollars entitles them to that right. I agree that the house this man lives in is old, however, the highway is becoming congested to the point that it is only a matter of time before a life is taken for simply crossing the street to go t

  • Here we go again.
    Another person spawning group paranoia. Just the same as the bunch of NIMBY's in the south end that wanted to halt the mall, this group wants to stop trucks.
    What's the common thread? None of them have a single engineering report to support their wild claims.
    A few hundred bucks invested into a proper report would show their side. But they won't do it. Because their 50+ year old homes were constructed with poor (often non existent) codes.
    Notice how the bill to repair an old, leaky basement included "LANDSCAPING!" Gee, how much did the new trees, brick walls and custom shrubs cost? They died and the old home crumbled again. - Time to blame the trucks.
    Bottom line is this is a common old home problem. The fact is we have folks looking for a freebie renovation upgrade. DONT BE FOOLED.

  • andre400

    Expensive repairs have to be expected when owning a home be it old or new, stuff happens and you have to be prepared. Perhaps the company who repaired the foundation in the 90s is to blame for shoddy workmanship? Either way if you cant afford to repair your house then perhaps you should be looking at other alternatives such as renting.

    Going after companies and the city for compensation for damages to your property makes no sense. The few who will be compensated, if at all make the rest of the city suffer or clients of that company by increased costs, taxes, etc. The reason why everything costs so damn much these days is due to years of crybabies who couldnt take responsibility for anything. Stuff like making the city repair your suspension, INCO fixing your rust, city fixing your foundation. When does it end? That is other peoples money that is being spent on your misfortune! What a crime.

    If these people seriously think that it is the road destroying their house then honestly just move. Even if they did come up with a solution it wouldnt be implemented for years, such as a bypass, or road upgrade. If these people got a free foundation repair now it would still need another one in the future, do us taxpayers living in SUdbury really want to continuously pay for downling residents to have their foundations repaired when we have to pay for ours our of pocket? Hell no! Anyone can argue that the poor state of their house is due to some external force, but if its a recurring problem then move because at some point the repair isnt going to be free anymore.

    Im so sick of people milking the system for a couple of freebies when the answer to their problem is so simple. Anyone who lives on a highway is in my opinion a cheapskate(unless it was land owned by the family since way back or farm land). These properties are cheap, the houses are cheap and so are the people who bought them. You have to be insane to live on a highway like this and as such you ha

  • Andre 400? Pay more??? Do even happen to know what it costs to licence a truck for one year? Let's see..last year to register 1 thats ONE truck with a GVWR of 45500 KG was over $2000. That is for one year for one truck. You want to increase the rates of trucking?? Guess what...this country is so dependent on trucking that with any increase in expense it would be immediately passed down to the consumer...and as i'm sure you know 99% of everything we buy gets to the store by truck.

    There is no easy fix to this problem. It's a shame that Mr Weiman had to pay $14,000 dolars to fix his house..would i be upset..sure...does anybody just want to burn $14,000..i don't think so but i really don't see how he can point his finger at anyone. As Motorboat said HWY 144 has always been there and will aways be there. I think it's safe to say that when you do buy property you should expect an increase in population and traffic as time goes by..especially if you buy property next to a HWY.

    HWY 144 is a major artery for truck coming and going to Timmins, Local Deliveries, and of coarse the mines in Levack. There is no way to limit or govern the amount of traffic that will travel this HWY.

    My suggestion. Have the MTO set up their mobile scales to make sure that commercial vehicles are compliant with weight laws. If you want to increase anything, increase the fines for vehicles that would be over weight.

  • Wow motorboat! What an arrogant person you are! Do you work for the city or are you the Mayor himself! You have no idea about these people's finances and not everyone can afford a new home you know!
    The city is not blameless for a lot of these things. Years of infrastructure neglect has took it's toll and it's about time that these big companies who run these trucks and put considerable wear and tear on the road... (a lot more than your average driver)...were made to pay more.
    Probably the traffic was not as heavy when he purchased his home and who are you to say where someone should live!
    The man has spent a considerable amount of money on his basement already and does not need someone like you passing nasty comments. I only hope that someday you do not need any help with anything... knowing Sudbury no one is safe the way this city is run!

  • It seems that blaming the city for a crumbling foundation these days is a popular trend. First it was the flourmill/donovan flood victims, then the south end residents by the new wal mart, now these clowns. Heres a hint fellas, foundations require maintenance every so many years, yeah its expensive but get over it. There are literally thousands of houses in this city that are many years overdue for foundation upgrades and repair, i have seen it with my own eyes and im starting to think this sort of neglect is a trend in Sudbury.

    Number one for the dowling folk, you live on a highway, it has always been a highway, and always will be. Whatever possesses people to buy a house on a highway i will never understand, lots of traffic, noise, salt spray in winter, water runoff, pulling into/out of your driveway, you people are nuts.

    Maybe its because you were too cheap to spend a few extra bucks to get into a sub division or perhaps you love the roar of an 18 wheeler tearing down the road at 4 am, either way you live on a highway and as such you should have been aware that living on a highway, while being cheaper to live, comes with its share of problems.

  • Top Gun that's way too funny....decrease the speed and you will see more accidents because of the two wheelers who will be behind them bitching that they are going to slow. They will use the center lane as their personal passing lane. This is also the only way north, do you think these trucks will go to north bay up the 11 to go to timmins..i think not. These trucks have been going up this highway ever since it was built and only now are residents complaining that their basements are cracking...maybe they should look at the age of the basement?

  • I think the speed of the trucks are more relevant than the weight. Reduce the speed limit for these trucks to 30kmh. They won't like it but it is a considerbly cheaper solution than building 27KM of highway. Who would pay for that? I don't need it, so I don't want to pay. Another alternative is ship everything by rail, like it or not.

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