Releasing names what public wants: police chief

May 31, 2011- 1:07 PM

By: Martha Dillman - Sudbury Northern Life

Greater Sudbury Police Chief Frank Elsner's phone has been ringing off the hook since the police announced they will soon be releasing the names of all people charged with impaired driving.

“It surprised me actually,” he said. “We have lots of people quite adamant that we should be releasing the names. The vast majority of people are in favour of us doing that, and obviously there's some people...(who think) we shouldn't.”

Greater Sudbury Police recently announced that starting June 7, they will release the names of those charged with impaired driving offences during the previous week. The names will be sent to media outlets and posted on the Greater Sudbury Police website.

Elsner said the police service feels there is a need to make the names public.

“We do that for other offences such as a homicide, as an example, or missing people or serious sexual assaults,” he said. “Finally, after all of this time, we think impairing driving in this community has hit that threshold.”

When a criminal offense in Canada is laid, the name is public information, explained Elsner.

“People would normally have to go to the courthouse to find out what the individual's name was,” he said. “We're just releasing it ahead of time.”

If someone is charged with impaired driving, that doesn't necessarily mean they will be convicted of the crime, Elsner said.

Plea bargains may be made within the courts, where the accused could plea to one charge if other charges are withdrawn.

“If they have a good defence counsel who can raise enough doubt in the judge's mind, then they may be found not guilty,” he said. “Fortunately, impaired driving is often pretty cut and dry with the evidence before the judiciary.”

Elsner said it's not up for the police to “contemplate” what happens if someone is charged with impaired driving, only to have the charges against them dropped.

“Our position is that we release (names of) people who have been charged,” he said.

“What happens in the courts...that's up to the courts to decide...We think the carnage that's happening in our city streets outweighs that.”

At the end of March, Elsner told Northern Life police don't believe there are more impaired drivers on the road. He said he thinks more citizens are calling to report impaired drivers, leading to higher impaired driver statistics.

Elsner also said police are increasing the number of impaired driving patrols, resulting in more impaired driving charges being laid.

“Now we have to go after that segment of the population that is still drinking and driving that's not getting that message,” he said. “What we want people to do...is just not do it in the first place. If we are successful at that, then I think it's a good thing.”

Greater Sudbury Police media relations office Bert Lapalme said from Jan. 1 until May 31, 2011, 85 impaired driving charges had been laid. During the same time period last year, 70 impaired driving charges were laid.

Elsner said the decision to make suspected impaired drivers' names public is generating a lot of discussion, which he thinks is a good thing.

“In the last couple of days, all I've heard is people talking about this,” he said. “If nothing else...if we can get people talking and engaged in this conversation, I think that's healthy and positive for our community.”
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15 Comments

  • A few years ago Robberies at drug stores was the crime. Then the feminist groups made (still are) pushing domestic violence the trendy crime to dislike.
    Now its onto DUI.

    Lets be clear here. Nobody is condoning impaired driving. Not me, not one reader. What I'm clearly against is the mob mentality and the incomplete and biased skew that this crime-of-the-moment reporting will entail.

    Funny how the womens groups aren't all over this idea. And there is a good reason. - Fair and equal reporting from the accusation to the end. Be it guilt, dropping of the case, or a finding of innocence!
    No media outlet has the gumption to simply walk up to the courthouse and read the public postings of who's on trial for what. Then report it.
    WHY? Because they are then obliged to follow that deal right to the end. Will they do that for DUI? - Hardly. And that leads to a bias and tilt that portrays all as guilty before a trial. Something the police chief seems to run as his motto. Just read his words in the article.

    Bottom line here is not about DUI. Its about proper reporting of cases. Not following trendy ideas and fairly printing everyone. - Do you honestly think the first promenent Sudburian will have their name dragged into this? Or will they be shuffled to the side to avoid the shame?

    Hey women's groups. Why haven't you stepped up to have your trendy crime reported?????

  • So should we with hold the names of those whom have been charged with murder? Should we with hold the name of a person who walks around down town with a loaded gun pointing it at people? Drinking and Driving is a very serious offence with very serious and real consiquences...both for the victims (if any) and the accused.

    To sit there and say all names of all persons who have been charged with a crime should be published on a broad range is laughable.

    If you can't decipher the difference and the impact drinking and driving has over lets say shop lifting then you need a reality check. Now you turn that into armed robbery and it's a little different now isn't it.

    And shame on you Harry! "Because a person who drives drunk is not in a mental state to make proper decisions in the first place."

    Is that your defence??!You sound like a man defending himself in court against domestic battery.

    You know what. That person who drove to the bar sober made a choice. They made a choice to start drinking. They made a choice to drive home.

    I think we can all say we have been pretty "plastered" at one point or another in our lives. Speaking from personal experience, I have been completely inebriated, acted pretty stupid, but not once have I ever lost my choice to decipher wheter something was good or bad.

    If you're that intolerable to alcohol or it comes with the consiquence of not knowing what you are doing, then make the CHOICE not to drink.

    As I stated before, it's pretty hard to beat a breathalizer and a roadside sobriety test...pretty cut and dry if you ask me.

    Its a good thing they are publishing these names. It's one step closer to NOT making drinking and driving socially acceptable.

  • Tell you what Phil, if you are ever found not guilty after failing roadside testing and breathalizer, and the breathalizer that gets administered at the police station to verify intoxication, I'll buy you a beer.

  • johnny, you're actually almost getting it.

    WE are outspoken with the a la carte printing of certain names. The media should print them all or not bother doing it. They are engaged in tabloid style reporting. Choosing what hot topic in the courts they should pay attention to.

    Its the same as the BS rape shield law. That drags out the accused and hides the 'victim'. If there is a finding of innocence, the damage is done. Same with DUI reporting.

    Bottom line, one you actually are agreeing with, is pubilish equally, or not at all. That includes COMPLETE trial reporting with the verdict! Why would you be against that?

  • And look at that, they've already snagged one idiot. Saw this on my Facebook homepage.

    http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/ezrocksudburynews/2011/06/02/hanmer-mans-name-to-be-first-on-police-list-of-impaired-driving-charges/

  • So innocence is only proven by a technicality?
    Forget poor evidence. Co

    Lets drag all the names out for every criminal charge. Front and centre in the media.

    Bottom line here is that we are seeing a la carte reporting. And if the media publishes the names of an accused person, they are obliged to report the entire court process. From finding of guilt or total clearance from being found innocent. (You know, as in wrongfully accused?)

    The BS that those that oppose the publishing are hiding something IS mob rules. Akin to the lame joke of, "Does your family know you are a drunk? - Yes or no?"

    We live in a society that tolerates a fair system. One that treats ALL equal. So if the media are going to publish the arrested for ONE type of crime only, then EVERY charged person should be there. .......unless YOU have something to hide.......(see how it works??)

    And if you're paying attention, in the past I'm clearly on record for not defending a bar for serving patrons that choose to drive. That's a red herring you've invented for a pathetic defence of your weak position. I've never been against enforcing DUI laws and strict punishment of those found guilty.
    Publishing the names won't be a deterrent. It'll open a huge can of worms for civil suits when the media fails to publish the innocent verdicts. It'll also end up with certain folks not having thier names out there. Public figures and friends of those in the system. We know you'd be the first to bitch when your pal or family member's name shows up......

  • Leave it to Phil to make a mountain out of molehill. The name of any accused is public record anyway. So what if they publish them? If you're afraid of having your name published for committing a crime, then don't commit the crime. What an excellent deterrent!

    Do you think there's going to be mob outrage because someone got caught driving 10 km over the speed limit? Get a grip on reality buddy. Hope you're not planning on driving anywhere tonight.

    How many DUIs are proven innocent Phil? And I don't mean pleaded out or got off on a technicality? Breathalizers and roadside testing are pretty conclusive. You'd rather this trend of drunk driving continue until more people are killed? Then you'll jump to defense of the driver and blame the bar.

    Sounds exactly like you're afraid of seeing your name in the paper some Tuesday morning. Figures.

  • We're on the slippery slope to mob rules folks.

    Look at the Joe McCarthy like approach displayed below by johnny "The only people afraid of this are people with something to be afraid of."

    Great way to crush innocent until proven guilty. A la carte choosing of who's names for what type of arrest should be posted.

    Tell us johnny, are you willing to see ALL charged persons names released? Regardless of crime? Let's see if speeders, car acccidents, shoplifters, etc..etc.. deserve the same exposure. AND if it ends up being a prominent citizen or relative. Will they follow the FULL trial for those named in DUI accusations? What about them being found innocent?

    Forget anything about due process. According to the chief of police, his idea is charged DUI's are guilty 100%. Its only lawyers that create confusion for the judge? Really? Forget poor evidence or someone making a mistake.

    Yeah, lets meet at the courthouse with torch in hand to force the next mob idea........If you're gonna name DUI's then name everyone charged for everything.

  • Mucker says publish all the John's names as well. OK, also publish all the hookers names, ages and phone numbers.

  • Publish all the John's who get picked up names as well.

  • I have to say that I am in favor of this. I think it would be an effective tool used by law enforcement to curve the ever steady increase in impaired drivers. Also as these cases progress through the justice system at a snails pace, these drivers might be driving other vehicles that are insured and are the legal responsibility of others...ie..company vehicles. Don't be surprised if some of these people are getting charged with impaired driving at night and getting suspended drivers licenses then hopping in a company insured vehicle in the morning for their work and placing the legal responsibility on the owners of the companies and insurance companies to take the fall when something occurs.

  • The only people afraid of this are people with something to be afraid of.

  • re ..."Releasing names what public wants" ...So, if the majority of people want public hangings, we should do that also?

    Printing the names is NOT going to change a thing. Because a person who drives drunk is not in a mental state to make proper decisions in the first place.

  • Well bust my buttons! I agree with the point that PM is making here. Public humiliation has very serious ramifications and should not be utilized merely for the enjoyment of the mob. If indeed that is the kind of punishment we want to deliver in this community then let it be consistent for everybody and preferrably for the guilty...

  • Is the media going to follow each case they publish the name of the accused?
    After all, an arrested person isn't automatically guilty. Just like the chief stated. Fair reporting would have those found innocent published. As well as the names of the officers, and crown that presented the flawed case.

    Folks, lets be honest here. If the cops are going to choose what criminal offense is worthy of names going to the press, then every one should be released, right? Are we going to see names of locally prominent people and their family members names published? Or is this going to be an a la carte choice by the media and cops?

    Those found guilty should have names released. Period.

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